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Below is a quote from PC Davies in the stolen loan horse thread Latest News....

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<font color="blue"> </font> The passport regardless of who's hands it's in is worthless as anyone can get a new one made up.

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makes a mockery of the whole damn thing.
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it does and it is very true unfortunalty!!! You can get a general no bread passport for £20 and a drawing from your vet. I also find the whole microchip thing a mochary as the vets do not scan the horses unlesses asked so there is no way of detecting if a horse is stolen. When I bought a very cheep horse once i had it scanned and check to see if she was stolen, she was not and it has been fine but the vets do not check all the information as a matter of course. I think that if registaring a new horse with a vet they should can them and check the details of the chip against the passport old owners ect but for some reason nothing gets done!
 
There's probably a reason I'm wrong but this seems pretty obvious to me. It would have made much more sense to me to bring in the passport system over many years whereby all horses are chipped, registered and passported at birth so eventually everything is identifiable by its own passport, instead of randomly issuing them to any older horses whose histories are untracable.
 
I know i agree I do think that this whole thing needs to be reviews as more horses are being stolen and there is nothing that can be done. Even if they do to the sales without a passport they can not go in the ring but can be sold from out side. They should not let a horse in for sale without a passport and checking they are correct!!
 
It's all a load of cow faeces. When I had the vet for Henry the other week, I also took his passport up there. He had a tet jab at the same time, but she didn't even ask to see the passport, let alone write in the jab OR the bute administered, No much for recording drugs for animals!

KVS, you have a valid point, there!
 
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There's probably a reason I'm wrong but this seems pretty obvious to me. It would have made much more sense to me to bring in the passport system over many years whereby all horses are chipped, registered and passported at birth so eventually everything is identifiable by its own passport, instead of randomly issuing them to any older horses whose histories are untracable.

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that is almost, word for word, what i said when all this was first mooted about passports...

TBH its a total fiasco!!
 
i understand what people are saying but i have to say its better than not having passports at all,,, if i went to look at a horse and it was 12 and had a new dated on the passport, i wud be suss and walk away!! I think its buyer beware, check the info out on the passported horse!! With vigilance and using the passport system to conatct old owners ect these stolen horses would not be able to be sold on and therefore not worth stealing in the first place praps?!? IMO
 
Passports where only introduced as a way of getting around European Legislation which was drafted to prevent horses which where contaminated with drugs from entering the food chain.

The Passport system thus ensured that these drugs could still be used on horses in Great Britain.

Passports had nothing to do with horse security.

If you wish to ensure that your horse is recovered after theft then have it freezemarked on it's shoulder as a freezemark can be read by anyone. Micro-chipping to date has been confused because there are 6 different systems available the scanner of one will not read the micro-chips from all the other different systems.

As from June 2009 all horses in Europe (EEC) will have to be micro-chipped within 6 weeks of birth and it is hoped that only one dedicated chipping specification system will be allowed. With a bit of luck this will be to an international standard and all the records held on one centrally held European Data Base.

Maybe when horses are being treated or prescribed drugs by a vet this should also be entered in to the system allowing the full medical history of a horse to be recorded. This would no doubt asist purchasers of horses in being able to determine there true medical history!
 
yes but still nothing has been logged in either of my horses passports re medicine at all and one has had an MRI scan and the other has a plate in his leg. I could sell them and no one would know they have been treated (not that it matters as I would never sell them)!! I just think that it is a bit of a joke
 
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yes but still nothing has been logged in either of my horses passports re medicine at all and one has had an MRI scan and the other has a plate in his leg. I could sell them and no one would know they have been treated (not that it matters as I would never sell them)!! I just think that it is a bit of a joke

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Exactly. Since getting a passport, Henry has been prescribed bute twice, by two different vets. Neither has asked to see the passport. All I have to do is register with two different vets and use one for treatment, the other for routine jabs. Bingo - full 'history' for selling, taken from the routine jab vet!
 
But surely if the declaration stating that the horse is not intended for human consumption is signed then there is no need for the bute to be listed in your passport? I have never seen bute listed in ANY passport, or any medication for that matter, only vaccinations.
I can't help thinking that if things were as strict for all horses as they are for TB's then the system would be more effective. For example.... Every foal is microchipped, parentage tested and passported!
 
My horse has had surgery and nerve blocks galore, none of the drugs used were noted down in his passort and I suspect this is because my horse is not for human consumption.

I think that if the horse was for human consumption, then it would be noted (?) I presume.

Also, wormers are not entered by me onto his passport, do wormers count and if so should it be the vet or owner who fills it in?

I agree with Owlie, if you want a permanent means of identification, get a freeze mark.
 
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There's probably a reason I'm wrong but this seems pretty obvious to me. It would have made much more sense to me to bring in the passport system over many years whereby all horses are chipped, registered and passported at birth so eventually everything is identifiable by its own passport, instead of randomly issuing them to any older horses whose histories are untracable.

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This is pretty much what I said from the start too.
I wonder if anyone who allows their horses go for meat record the wormers they use in their Passports?
 
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