Pedigrees of the Olympic horses

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Anyone else watching the eventing dressage and taking an interest in the pedigrees?
For every person who tells me the top riders still want a tb, I see a high number of hannoverians/Holsteins being ridden today. Obviously nearly always with a great dose of tb within 2nd or 3rd generation.
I particularly like the horse Andrew hoy rode who is Good old fashioned jumping and hann blood with a tb damsire.
What's so annoying is how hard it is to find the pedigree info!
 
I seem to remember someone on chronicle of the horse breeding forum doing a break down of the breeding for all the equestrian disciplines, including top sires in each. It may be quite a few pages back by now.
 
They don't want pure TB but they do definitely like a high dose of it in there. Of the leading scores at the moment -
1st Butts Abraxxas is essentially pure TB being by Heraldik XX and whilst it says a Hannoverian dam, her sire is TB as is her dam sire and all bar maybe 1% of the bottom line.
2nd King Artus is also similar - TB sire, the dam sire is 1/2 TB and the bottom line also 1/2 TB
3rd Imperial Cavalier is by Cavalier who has a decent dose of TB and his bottom line is Imperius and other TB.
4th Rutherglen is the most WB of the lot but is still probably 35-40% TB
5th Shamwari - 1/2 TB
6th Clifton Promise - pure TB

Yeah a lot of the horses are listed as being Hannoverian or Holstein but at same time is that because they have been bred on continent from Hanni, etc graded lines and so
passported as such..... Of these 6th the one with the least TB is Andrew's horse you mention but the rest definitely have a decent dose of TB.
 
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eventrider23 said:
They don't want pure TB but they do definitely like a high dose of it in there. Of the leading scores at the moment -
1st Butts Abraxxas is essentially pure TB being by Heraldik XX and whilst it says a Hannoverian dam, her sire is TB as is her dam sire and all bar maybe 1% of the bottom line.
2nd King Artus is also similar - TB sire, the dam sire is 1/2 TB and the bottom line also 1/2 TB
3rd Imperial Cavalier is by Cavalier who has a decent dose of TB and his bottom line is Imperius and other TB.
4th Rutherglen is the most WB of the lot but is still probably 35-40% TB
5th Shamwari - 1/2 TB
6th Clifton Promise - pure TB

Yeah a lot of the horses are listed as being Hannoverian or Holstein but at same time is that because they have been bred on continent from Hanni, etc graded lines and so
passported as such..... Of these 6th the one with the least TB is Andrew's horse you mention but the rest definitely have a decent dose of TB.
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Funny how a Westphalian horse by a Holstein stallion changes its name so easily into Lionheart
 
Hollycatt said:
I seem to remember someone on chronicle of the horse breeding forum doing a break down of the breeding for all the equestrian disciplines, including top sires in each. It may be quite a few pages back by now.
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I cant find it, can you remember what it was called?
 
It was ages ago when the teams were first announced. I will go and see if I can find them :)

Dressage on page 5 - will see if i can find Sj and event http://chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=358511 Quick glance - top sires are Jazz with 8 offspring, De Niro and Gribaldi with 7 offspring each. Don Schufro was next with 5, then Donnerhall and Ferro with 4 each. Come Back III, Florestan I, Sandro Hit, and Welt Hit II had 3 each. Michellino and Rohdiamant had 2 each.

some eventing info - http://chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=358489 and http://chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=358642 and http://chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359126

sj - http://chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=358375 and http://chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=358390

Start at page 5 and work back :)
 
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I am sure I heard the commentator say that Master Imp was the most influential stallion amongst the olympic eventing entrants.

I agree with eventrider23 the TB still has a significant representation , it will be interesting to see which ones shine on the XC course!!
 
Shamwari caught my eye and his sire Star Regent xx is also the dam sire of Butts Leon amongst others.
If Sporting Horse database is correct Star Regent's dam is a full sister to the dam of Hoarwithy. It says they also had a half brother who was a stallion at the European Eventing CHP's Crown Heirloom.
 
Master Imp is definitely the most represented eventing sire. He has 4 progeny entered....Master Crusoe, Master Rose, Ringwood Magister and High Kingdom.
 
Master Imp has 4 in it. High Kingdom for Britain, Master Crusoe for Ireland and the other two's names and countries escape me.

Master Crusoe is out of a Cruising mother. Cruising also has Mr Medicott (2008 team gold medallist for Germany) representing America and Electric Cruise for Ireland in the Eventing and Flexible in the jumping.

I'm gutted Mic Mac Du Tillard (by Cruising) and Fresh Direct Kalico Bay (Dam by Cruising) didn't make it to London

I am hoping that America take team medals in both jumping and eventing and that Karen O'Connor and Rich Fellers take individual medals
 
Oh I totally agree you need that good dose of tb, as I said initially, it's the strong dose of tb in the often 2nd/3rd generations into either a strong jumping sire or dam line. As most people are aware the very best jumping lines in Germany are descended from, or highly influenced by tb blood, so the breeders of these Olympic horses have done a good job of matching blood with blood in the pedigree.
But what I find interesting is some if the very best riders in the world are not choosing a pure tb, but are riding horses with some purpose bred jumping blood in there.
And it's which jumping lines are combining with the blood, to produce Olympic standard athletes that I find interesting.
Regarding master imp, does he have any/many stallion sons standing?
 
William Micklem has the full brother to High Kingdom and Mandiba standing at stud in Ireland called Jackaroo. Only young at the moment but i believe also available outside ireland soon. So that is not only a Master Imp stallion son but the brother to 2 Oympic horses.
There is also Kings Master over in Ireland I think.

Should be noted that Master Imp is of course by Imperious...the dam sire of Imperial Cavalier!
 
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William Micklem has the full brother to High Kingdom and Mandiba standing at stud in Ireland called Jackaroo. Only young at the moment but i believe also available outside ireland soon. So that is not only a Master Imp stallion son but the brother to 2 Oympic horses.
There is also Kings Master over in Ireland I think.

Should be noted that Master Imp is of course by Imperious...the dam sire of Imperial Cavalier!
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We really do need a HHO 'LIKE' button :D
 
Just looked and there is Highland Imperius in the USA. Oli Townend DID have Hollins Hall (but I think no longer as he failed grading and I think was gelded). There are also Ryelands SeaMaster and Golden Master in Ireland. Dalcotes also had Parkmore Master - now sold.
 
The pull out in this weeks H&H gives the sire and dam sire of most of the horses taking part in the olympics. Well done them.
 
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No info that I can find on Williams site on wether jackaroo will stand at stud. Interesting pedigree info though.
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It might be worth contacting William directly. I've seen Jackaroo, and he's a very fine boy indeed .... we'll have to see if he will be available in the future. Hope so!
 
Jackaroo I know and William has stated on his website, etc. had an accident as a youngster and so won't be competed but I know is at stud privately at the moment and the rest is being assessed but he is being watched with very great interest!
 
'spoke' to William tonight and Jackaroo has a few cracking proper ones on the ground so far (2 yearlings and a foal) and already has a busy year booked and planned for next year.
 
I am a rare breed enthusiast and spend a lot of time searching back pedigrees.

Wherever you see Holstein and Oldenburg you will find pedigrees trace back to Cleveland Bays and Yorkshire Coach Horses. Even SF have CB's in their pedigrees. The CB is the great 'improver'.

Ramiro one of the most successful Sport Horse stallions is a grandson of Ramzes TBxShagya but even Ramiro ( via Tobias and Kleopatra) has Cleveland Bay and Yorkshire Coach Horse in his back pedigree.

I breed two types of horse from closed stud books. Both breed true to type. The downside is that 'in-breeding' is a concern for some breeders. Within the CBHS we have a selected mating programme to avoid this happening.

I think preserving their characteristics is important and I don't want to see them become just warmbloods by another name
 
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