Pelham plus draw reins

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Yay or nay?

I am not anti-drawrein, I feel they can serve a purpose though I don't like the use of the word rein as they should never be held for more than a few seconds at a time.

I seen someone use such a device (or gadget) with another quite strong bit being a pelham (I know it depends on the hands but the fact of the matter is you have a steel chain running under the horses jaw, it's strong than a snaffle in the same hands!) then to top it all off use spurs on the horse I found a bit confusing.

I understand the spurs and pelham, horse going forward into a contact but able to be held, especially for jumping but to add drawrins to this combination seems a touch confusing?
 
pmsl I viewed

and just thought it was a bizarre concept ;) so you end up with 3 sets of reins then too presumably?
 
i groomed round the showjumping circut for a good 6 years and have seen all sorts of things and draw reins are a big thing in show jumping at home and in the collecting ring but i have to say i have never seen them used with a pelham i would thing you should have enough bend and flextion without the draw reins
specialy if had two reins on!!!!

not really saying yay or nay but i wouldt use them together
 
Never...

I had a potential client phone me once who said they rode their horse in draw reins and a gag... I tried my absolute best to not sound judgemental, but I polietly said that I wasn't keen on draw reins and maybe we could work on not using them anymore... She never called back!

I personally would never use draw reins. I have never found I needed them and would never resort to them. The yard across the lane have people riding in them all the time... I don't think I've seen a single one of those horses going what I would call correctly. They're way below vertical, but not long and low, and on their forehand.
 
Well I wouldn't use them together..odd concept.
Do the draw reins take the place of the second rein or what?
 
Well, I personally haven't needed (would avoid) the combination but I can see the possibilities if you have a horse that chucks his head up. Easier though to use a Market Harborough - again a rare combination nowadays but did use to be seen several decades ago out hunting.

The action of the draw reins would have no action on the curb.
 
I think draw reins are fine if used correctly. I only ever use them with a snaffle though.

On the front of David Broomes Training Manual book he is jumping with the in a pelham and draw reins.

The draw passed through the snaffle part and he has removed the rein which would usually go here- so he is still only using two reins.

The book is listed half way down here, you cant really see it too well:

http://www.horsesinyourmailbox.com/horses/agora.cgi?&product=Hunter+Jumper+and+Courses
 
I would find it odd, and personally feel if you have to go to draw reins OR a stronger bit (ignoring the fact a pelham has 101 different purposes for a minute), you need to go back to basics, so using two gives me the impression this person is trying to do the equivalent of mend the cracks in the plaster when the house is build on poor foundations. :)

However, I have used but am no expert in either, so viewed but didn't want to comment, should my opinion be worth didly squat :D
 
i would say it depends who and how you use them i have had them on my boy with a universal gag on and i only have to use them now and again but they have ther uses. and when used propley can really hel a horse i not against or for them as would rather not use them dont any more but if they are needed and they help . but wouldt dream of using them with a pelham or kimble wick or similar but gags and snaffles (gag draw reing through the snffle ring )
 
silvershadow81 said:
The draw passed through the snaffle part and he has removed the rein which would usually go here- so he is still only using two reins.
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That's how it looked like the person was using them, didn't look like a double rein but a curb and a draw rein through the snaffle. It was rather odd to see even in the school it would be odd but this person was hacking their horse. My first though was maybe it's a really strong horse but then I would prefer running reins and a strong snaffle bit than draw reins and a pelham. It's safe to say the horse appears rather confused too, it was rearing and running backwards most of the time.
 
I would never use those together. For starters I believe draw reins should be picked up and dropped as you need them and are a schooling tool, not a controlling tool. If someone had a pelham in my gob combined with draw reins and spurs I think I'd be rearing and running backwards.
 
Silverspring said:
It didn't the horse was running backwards and rearing. The rider described it as a tantrum.
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I was just about to write if you want our horse behind the bit and not going forwards in a false outline then thats a great recipe and then i read this!
Im not surprised. The rider sounds like a t**t
 
Draw reins are a quick way to get your horse on the forehand and not using its back end.

I watched a well know showjumper 'school' a young horse in draw reins at a demo a couple of years ago. He was extolling their virtues saying how good they were for getting the head down etc..

As soon as he took them off the youngster threw its head right up and it stayed there. Obviously the draw reins had taught it nothing.

I hate them, there are better ways of getting your horse into an outline.
 
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