Pelvis out!!

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So i got the physio out to my 5yr old boy who was having slight issues in canter on the left rein as in wanting to bend the opposite way and it turns out his pelvis was out a lot, so she worked on him and put it back in again and said that it could pop out again due to being weak so I am now paranoid about doing anything that my cause it to pop out again. We think it has been out for a while and he still feels the same in left canter, the pysio is back next week so just wondered if anyone else has experienced anything similar and has any words of wisdome or experiences, thanks.
 
Get yourself a chiropractor not a physio.

The pelvis sits very deep encased in muscle and cannot be put Back or just pop out.

If you want the number of a very good Chiropractor I can let you have it. He covers the Sussex area too.
 
sorry, but what a load of bulls**t - pelvises do not pop in or out or any such other nonsense. the pelvis is surrounded by s**t loads of very strong muscles and i really dont understand what these people mean when they says it goes "out" - out where for gods sake! was this physio registered? did you have your vet's referral because it's illegal for anyone to manipulate your horse without a vet's referral and would invalidate your insurance if you needed to claim or if they caused a problem.
 
What a load of absolute twaddle, if there was an 'out' issue with your horses pelvis he would be writhing on the floor in agony and a vet would need anaestetic and a block and tackle plus half the local rugby team to attempt to put it 'back'.

Did the so called physio recommend any remedial schooling exercises or will she just be back in a few weeks to take some more cash off you.

Your horse has weak or imbalanced muscles thats all....its nothing dramatic .....
 
I have a horse who didn't want to pick up left lead, and you could also see that she was stepping slightly shorter on the one side.
I was advised that her hip 'alignment' was slightly out.
Did lots of work walking and trotting around edge of large flat field to build her muscles up and she was completely fine after that.
 
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So i got the physio out to my 5yr old boy who was having slight issues in canter on the left rein as in wanting to bend the opposite way and it turns out his pelvis was out a lot, so she worked on him and put it back in again and said that it could pop out again due to being weak so I am now paranoid about doing anything that my cause it to pop out again. We think it has been out for a while and he still feels the same in left canter, the pysio is back next week so just wondered if anyone else has experienced anything similar and has any words of wisdome or experiences, thanks.

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I use a registered and experienced physio on my horse and she would never come out with such twaddle-its actually the sort of clap trap chiros tend to come out with. what are her qualifications?
 
"Twaddle" or not - I think what your practitioner is trying to allude to is the fact that the pelvis is "out of alignement" which is to do with the muscles supporting the sacroillac (hip) area of the horses rump.

I too was told that my mare's pelvis was "out" - but they mean "out of alignement" - this can be due to muscle tension / spasum or build up due to a slight pull or injury or the way they have been going.

Just like you and I could be "crooked" if you have a tight shoulder or sore side - or if you did a sport like tennis where one side is being used more than the other - a physio or chiro would advise that the muscle needs miniupulating to release the tension and then working on to even up the muscle tone and the way the muscles are used.

My qualified chiropractor lifted my mares leg and did a few movements and when placed back on the floor the two hip bones when viewed from the rear were back "level" with each other. However, I was also given an extensive programme of works to do to help prevent this happening again and to build the muscle and tightness of the muscle around the joint properly.

(I may add - as others will have seen my posts on here - it did later turn out that my mare had actually suffered a SI injury which required treatment at Leahurst and another programme of work - and she is now well on the road to a full recovery).

Hope this helps explain a bit of the "twaddle" or miss use of english that some practitioners may use !

All the best

MaverickMD
 
Get you Mavster - off to veterinary college for you next
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Absolutely true that it is ILLEGAL for ANYONE other than a vet or the owner of the horse to administer ANY type of medication or therapy to any horse. The only time it is legal is if the vet has either referred the horse to a qualified practitioner or if the owner has asked the vet's permission for the practitioner to work on the horse. There are many people out there practising forms of manipulation and telling people their horses have all sorts of problems, which means they have to come back week after week to work on it (they aren't cheap either!). Dont get me wrong, some of these people are totally qualified etc but I would always make sure the vet had full knowledge and agreement to what therapy is being administered to any horse.
 
Echo others thoughts. It infuriates me when qualified therapists endlessly use the term "the pelvis is out". It sure as hell does not pop in or out. the pelvis is not designed to move at all. It is a rigid structure held solid by ligaments and shed load of muscles. It cannot pop out. Most of the time when this term is used it is usually a muscle imbalance problem causing the horse to favour one side which makes it seem wonky.
Hips can certailly sub lux or dislocate (not pelvis) but your horse would be in absolute agony and there would be a very apparent bulge. Please please please get someone else out who doesn't talk such rubbish.
 
I had exactly the same problem with my 4 yr old he just would not canter on the left rein and looked stiff and slightly lame we got the vet out who referred me to a chiro.
The first time i went to see him he had a good look over him and said his pelvis was slightly out of place, so treated him.
We had to go away and do light work with him for a few weeks and then bring him back to work.
We took him back to see him 2 months later as he said he wanted to see him again, as he was so young wanted to make sure it stayed in place.
When we went back he said he was absolutly fine and has been fine since touch wood but still struggle to get that left canter but he is getting better with it.
I would make sure u see a chiro though and not a physio i didnt think a physio could do that kind of work i thought it had to be a chiro, and yes u should get referred off your vet so that u can claim on your insurance.
Good Luck
 
The chiro i went to see was a very very experienced guy who comes very recommended and he said that my horses pelvis was slightly out of place ??????????? STRANGE seeing all ya comments
 
I agree with MaverickMD.

My boy too has an old sacroiliac injury which he has aggravated. His hips are ever so slightly out of alignment and we are working on building the surrounding muscles up. My chiro is comimg to see what exercise we can do to make him more level, but he wont be able to "pop" the pelvis back in!
 
This interests me as my mare (7yr old 16.3hh HW hunter type) has recently had a Equine Body Worker asses her and have been told she has pelvic asymmetry - probably what some would call her pelvis being 'out'

She massaged her whole body, found some muscle tension in various places and also assessed her skeletal symmetry. She found her right hip is very slightly forwards and lower than her left, and she has related muscle tension in her loins, esp down one side, and a very slightly asymmetrical gait.

She said it's hard to tell which case first - is she asymmetrical because she's muscle sore or is she muscle sore because of her asymmetry?

She is not allowed to do any manipulations (not qualified for that) and has reccomened I get a good oesteo or physio out to investigate further. For those I will need a vet referal (agggh, more money! ),

She did however try and relieve as much muscle tension as possible using masssage (horse loved it!) and has given me some very basic stretches and some pole work to do.

She also says she has 'shearing' of C4 (the vertebra has shifted slightly to the right (same side she's stiff on). I totally agree the horse is stiff and inflexable in the neck but I am way less convined by the 'shearing'. The vertebra are held by very strong ligaments and if it's moved more than a couple of millimetres, it's be putting pressure one her spinal cord. She'd be in agony! (think slipped disc). I suspect it's more vertebra joint pain and stiffness. Either way, it's a physio's/oesteo's job to fix it.

But as others have said, there should be no 'popping' to be done of the pelvix. If the hips are dislocated, the horse needs shot! I've seen a hip dislocation and it's horrific. The hips are so well attatched, and so deeply bedded in muscle that nothing short of a major RTA can dislocate them. And the damage caused means they'll never heal and stay put afterwards.
 
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Echo others thoughts. It infuriates me when qualified therapists endlessly use the term "the pelvis is out". It sure as hell does not pop in or out. the pelvis is not designed to move at all. It is a rigid structure held solid by ligaments and shed load of muscles. It cannot pop out.]

can't sort the quote thing out but this next bit is mine!!

i feel that the term lumbosacral and sacroiliac movement may help you understand the biomechanics better, in fact the pelvis is designed to move around the sacroiliac joints- place your hand on the back of yuor pelvis as you walk and you will feel the torsion that occur here.
personally i would not use the term 'out' with any patient, i explain the mechanics instead, however i do understand what is meant by this very vague term, since the pelvis torsions on movement it is possible for it to torsion and then not be return to the same position as it began- we're talking small amounts though, this causes trauma to the sacroiliac ligamants and the muscles that sling the sacrum and pelvis, which then tend to go into spasm or 'become tight' that in itself then creates a viscious circle so the pelvis cannot then move into its ideal position and so on.
it is a very complex issue and hard to explain to people who haven;t studied the biomechanics etc, although i am an osteo i also spent 4 years at vet school so i hope this reassures most that i am pretty knowledgeable.
feel free to pm if you want to ask anything else!
 
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