Penny for your thoughts? Horse not right behind

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Feeling sorry for my poor friend whose horse just seems to have one thing after another atm!
He is a rising 8 year old gelding who had been kept very fit over winter being ridden up to 6 times a week being schooled with at least one hack a week and going out at least every other week to lessons/ clinics, BS shows, and arena eventing. My friend was planning to start going to hunter trials and event him this season.

Mid feb friend and I went to ride around a local farm ride and after a canter (we didn't make it even half way around ride) my friends horse started having what seemed like a sneezing/ coughing fit which resulted in a nose bleed. Long story short we walked him back to box and vet ok'd him to travel home over the phone. He had another episode and nose bleed later that day so vet came out, scoped him and initially thought that he had somehow inhaled a foreign body which caused the nose bleed. He was given 2 weeks off and some bute and then friend was to bring back into work.

Over the next month or so he had several nose bleeds and was becoming more and more lethargic so vet ran blood tests, results showed a very low WBC count and anemia(?sp), vet said was most likely a virus. Vet put on two complementary feeding stuffs to boost him back up, he had a week off, was then hacking and over last two weeks has started having the odd canter, and has been back in the school. Friday the vet came back and took bloods, horse has the all clear now so to go back to normal but not to rush.

We went on a hack on saturday, route was about an hour and a half no longer than what she had been building up to, first canter he was behind me and my horse, all started off calm then my friend flew past me, when she finally managed to pull him up she said he just bolted. He has always been strong and is ridden in a pelham when hacked and jumping but always listens and has never bolted before. Route is a loop and by this stage quicker to carry on than turn back home so went into another field and just decided to walk. We were walking side by side, my horse was on buckle end and hers would normally be calm but again her horse trying to bolt and when she wouldn't let him he was bouncing up and down/ going sideways. When we were nearly home we were trotting up a hill so we could move out of the way for a tractor who had stopped for us at the top, hill is a concrete hill and again he was behind which normally isn't a problem, but he shot out from behind me and my horse and bolted towards tractor.

After the first bold we thought maybe excitement but all other behavior indicated pain.

Friend had a lesson booked with someone who knows her horse very well on monday so when instructor came she told him what had happened day before, as soon as my friend started to warm up instructor said he isn't right behind.

He has had rest of week off and today vet has come to asses:
-He has been walked and trotted up, vet commented not right behind.
- He has had flexion tests where one hind leg was maybe not right but vet said it wouldn't be anything normally to concern her as very subtle.
- He has been lunged and ridden in walk trot and canter and again not right behind but worse when ridden.
When I say he is not right behind we mean that his back legs look like they're in China! He has never had the strongest of canters but has been 3 time for at least 18 months. Looking at him today it looks like he has had a fifth leg!
- Vet has felt all along back, he is fine where his saddle goes, and he seems fine along pelvis and SI area (As Sacro illeac pain was my initial thought). He is showing a pain response behind the saddle which stops at pelvis, when palpated he really ducks away and if you persist he will turn and try to kick.

The vet has said at this stage there are several possibilities but nothing she can definitely say "That's it". Suggestions made were kissing spines, arthritis, hind limb problems causing the back problems (horse has had hock operations as a 4 year old but sorry I can't remember exactly what!) but vet did say her gut feeling wasn't hocks.

Horse is being referred over next week or so for full work up but in the mean time my friend is stressing and looking for anyone's similar experiences/ suggestions.

Sorry for super long essay! and well done if you made it to the end :o

P.s sorry if it's poorly written it has been a super long day and lots of information to put in!
 
Friday the vet came back and took bloods, horse has the all clear now so to go back to normal but not to rush.

We went on a hack on saturday, route was about an hour and a half

Can you clarify how many days between the Friday and Saturday please.

Horse needs back x rays for the pain behind the saddle, imo. hopefully that will be done is the workup shows nothing else.
 
sorry, told you it had been a long day!
Week and a day, horse had been hacking up to an hour before vets final visit, and was hacked a a few times in the week too.

Yes is being referred for a full lameness work up starting with pain behind saddle and hind limbs including x rays and anything they deem necessary on the day.

Know its hard for anyone to say really but she is looking for similar experiences to keep her mind busy and looking for rays of hope I suppose!
 
I'm really sorry, but an instruction from a vet to work the horse but not to rush would not, for me, include a hack of an hour and a half after eight days. If the horse was weak from the virus, it may simply have tweaked something from being brought back into work too quickly.
 
That's fine and obviously your opinion. From when the virus was diagnosed vet had instructed friend to be hacking horse after initial week off, so he has been hacking for several weeks. Gradually building up from 20 minutes of walk up until the the final blood test and ok to bring back into full work (which I think was 5 weeks after initial diagnosis). It was understood by friend that as she had been hacking for longer, having the odd canter and had taken him in the school once before the final test (Ok'd by vet over phone) that the hour and a half wasn't a great leap as had been building towards this for ?6 weeks before our hack. (1 week off, 4 hacking, 1 week after final ok).

Hopefully he has just tweaked something and will teach us to go slower and never be too careful in future but the way his hind legs look esp in canter tells me it's more than that :(
 
Hock problems are giving mine a bad back. If there is an old issue then it might be back. My vet says they can be tense through their backs when the hocks hurt.

Has your friend had the saddle checked?
 
That's interesting, thank you SEL. Is it due to their way of moving being "off" with the hock pain that causes the back problem?

Saddle was checked feb time I think? But with the time off schooling it'll probably be a good idea to check it again, although pain does seem to be a good inch or so behind it.

It's a place I've not seen painful in a horse before, if it was further back i'd be saying he is moving typically like a horse with SI pain.
 
Mine had hind problems caused by a sore back. He was toe dragging and not quite right but not lame. Vet thought it would be the other way, i.e. Hock problems causing sore back, but a couple of treatments on his back resolved the other issue. Good idea for a full work up but I'd be inclined to go for saddler and physio if they can't find anything.
 
I would not waste time doing anything except the work up in the circumstances you describe.
I hope it's something minor .
 
I'd not get on him at all until the work up is done.

I hope it's minor too but you've listed coughing/sneezing fits leading to nose bleeds, bolting/reactive behavior and a strange gait. I'd not have anyone on him until you know what's going on in his head.
 
full Work up is being done regardless, just looking for similar experiences that ended well we suppose!

I'd not get on him at all until the work up is done.

I hope it's minor too but you've listed coughing/sneezing fits leading to nose bleeds, bolting/reactive behavior and a strange gait. I'd not have anyone on him until you know what's going on in his head.

Getting on a horse who is visibly not right behind is out of the question anyway, and unfortunately since vet visit on Friday he is visibly lame in trot :(

Interesting what you said about knowing what's going on in his head, we hadn't even considered it all being related. Will definitely mention it to her as something the vet should look into!
 
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