People borrowing your things...

[jenbleep]

...without asking!

Owner's daughter took my brushing boots (that were bought way before Charisma was in the picture, in fact for my old ride Frankie) to go away to a pony camp thing this week. Now I saw them in the trailer as she put them in the tack box and I asked her if she had seen them (not sure why I didn't just come out and ask her, but will do next time!!) and she lied right to my face and said she hadn't seen them?!

Then owner takes Charisma cross country for a friends daughter to ride and takes my *brand new* WW Ultra Boots and I find them in the tack room the next day lagged in mud and in a bucket. I know they are meant for XC but In wanted them for comps but they could have asked and at least brushed them off!

Now I will get my boots back tomorrow and they will be covered in white hair from daughters pony. I put my old WW boots on C last night and opened them to find loads of white hair.

I'm going to get a lockable tack box. Why do people think it's ok to use things without at least asking first? I don't mind lending things but do when they come back filthy and covered in hair!

Ok rant over

 

[Luci07]

It happens to us all. I share your ranting but don't have too much of a problem at our yard. Its simply not worth expending your breath on so your idea of a lockable tack box is the best one. I have found when I have confronted people they tend to lie (but then perhaps being faced by myself in full irate mode is not marvellous either!). Teenagers seem to be worst and are normally the culprits. Mark everything clearly too but yes, padlock on a chest is the only way forward.

 

[TheresaW]

I am so fed up with it, I now keep all my stuff in my car. It's a pain in the a*se, but the only way I can guarantee to be able to find my whip when I want to ride, or so I don't have to spend 10 minutes hunting around the yard for brushes when I want to groom.

 

[fidleyspromise]

Tell me about it. One girl borrowed my head collar for her pony and then came back and I asked everyone if they'd seen my headcollar. "Oh yeah, I used it for ***. Did I not put it back?" Grrr. She lost it. So they bought me another one. My ponies colour is Purple and the head collar was an expensive one. They bought me a cheap and nasty blue one. "That one will suit her better" they said. I'm now gutted as the purple one had been my previous ponies and had sentiment attached and it's gone!

I'm now on a lovely yard where nothing is borrowed without sayso and everyone is great.

 

[jenbleep]

It happens to us all. I share your ranting but don't have too much of a problem at our yard. Its simply not worth expending your breath on so your idea of a lockable tack box is the best one. I have found when I have confronted people they tend to lie (but then perhaps being faced by myself in full irate mode is not marvellous either!). Teenagers seem to be worst and are normally the culprits. Mark everything clearly too but yes, padlock on a chest is the only way forward.

Owners daughter is 11 and I even went into the house to find owner thinking daughter might own up, 'oh look they're in here' kind of thing but no! Like I say I don't mind owner borrowing my things for C if they come back clean, because I buy things for her not her daughters pony!

I hate the lying

 

[indiat]

I bought one of those green plastic garden boxes from Argos and put a lock on it for whips, grooming gear, small bits and bobs. Guess who I'm keeping out? My own daughters!

 

[hollyandivy123]

i like the way you say borrow.....................i now look at it as theft, the reason is everyone has my phone number, they didn't phone they then stole from me.

this might sound a bit over the top and paroniod, but we have a theif in the tack room, who borrows, breaks and puts back. then denies. i have even found my tack on their horse and they denied it.

is this person poor...............has 2 and and looking for another, drives big 4x4. but thinks its fine to use/break other peoples stuff esp if down in the food chain as far as they are concerned and doesn't have to applogies or offer to replace

i now sound like a very bitter and twisted person, so i will go and find lemons to suck on

 

[9tails]

Nobody borrows my stuff without asking, because they know I will EXPLODE with rage if they do.

 

[dornrose]

Thankfully I dont have this problem as my horses live at home and I'm the only one out there. When on livery yards the occasional thing was borrowed, usually after asking though, so not so bad but personally I wouldnt borrow something without asking unless I knew the said owner would be ok with it, and if I broke it I would replace it and certainly give it back in as good a condition as when I borrowed it.

What is it with some people thinking it's ok to use other peoples things break them and not replace the item.

 

[jenbleep]

Thankfully I dont have this problem as my horses live at home and I'm the only one out there. When on livery yards the occasional thing was borrowed, usually after asking though, so not so bad but personally I wouldnt borrow something without asking unless I knew the said owner would be ok with it, and if I broke it I would replace it and certainly give it back in as good a condition as when I borrowed it.

What is it with some people thinking it's ok to use other peoples things break them and not replace the item.

Exactly!! I said to a friend that if she dares bring them back broken she (or probably her Mother!) will be paying for them.

I am skint up to my eyeballs and can't be doing with people nicking my boots that I paid for and bringing them back broken!

Grrr sorry I'm riled again now

 

[Kenzo]

Dont get me started *stamps feet and thrusts fists at PC*

People can't borrow my tack and bits and bobs because I take them home...or they live in my car.

But when it comes to my shovel, pitch folk, barrow and brush....arhhh!

Now I don't mind people borrowing them, not at all but how hard is it to put them back, why should I have to go searching the yard and peoples stables looking my my things, it drives me insane.

Not only that but the more people that borrow them the more they get used (obvioulsy ) but then they get broken, wheel barrows are not cheap even for a cheapy plastic tiny thing, there still around £40.00 I'd at least expect to have the pleasure of owning and using it over the winter months.

If you borrow something put it back, you brake it then replace it...really is that simple!

I don't see why I should have to cart my tools across the yard to lock them up in my feed room, I should be able to leave them outside my stable so they are they as and when I need them.

ok rant over *takes deep breath*

 

[jenbleep]

I think you should chain up your tools

 

[pip6]

Theft (which is what borrowing without permission is) is often rife at livery yards. Lock things up, then it avoids the grief. Others can't get angry at you, it's your bits you have locked away after all. You don't get angry with them because you know your stuff will be in the box untouched.

At the last livery yard I was at we all had feed bins (also used for storing bits), & when there was a spate of food theft we padlocked our bins. The culprit (claimed to be a pro dressage rider) came down next day, came storming into tackroom demanding to know why we had all put padlocks on. When told why she exploded. We just sat back & ignored her, she was just angry as she'd have to buy her own food. Funnily enough she had been spouting off the previous week on what a good doer her wb horse was, as she only bought about 4 bags of feed a year. After the bins were padlocked she suddenly started buying feed.

Yes she got the hump, but am I upset about the person thieving from me being upset? no, don't really need friends like that.

 

[TequilaMist]

Dont get me started *stamps feet and thrusts fists at PC*

But when it comes to my shovel, pitch folk, barrow and brush....arhhh!

Now I don't mind people borrowing them, not at all but how hard is it to put them back, why should I have to go searching the yard and peoples stables looking my my things, it drives me insane.

Not only that but the more people that borrow them the more they get used (obvioulsy ) but then they get broken, wheel barrows are not cheap even for a cheapy plastic tiny thing, there still around £40.00 I'd at least expect to have the pleasure of owning and using it over the winter months.

I don't see why I should have to cart my tools across the yard to lock them up in my feed room, I should be able to leave them outside my stable so they are they as and when I need them.
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I am so with you on this.
Really p's me off.Remember going to yard one day and someone using my stuff and was told oh I'll only be five minutes! They had just started!
If you have to regularly borrow tools you need to buy tools imo!
What would these people do if no-one bought tools/barrows!!

 

[sally2008]

Oh don't start me off! Not a problem where I am at the moment because we are a small yard and everyone knows that if you borrow my stuff without asking you will die but at previous yards I got sick of having to hunt for things everytime I wanted to use it. The "occasionally required" stuff was the worst. Take your eyes off something and it would disappear. I caught one livery loading my electic fencing, battery and charger into the horsebox when she was leaving. Err, I don't think so love!

The best one was someone using my shavings fork when I turned up in a rush. I too got the "oh I'll only be a minute". My reply? "Sorry, but I need it now as I'm in a hurry". "Well I have to go to work you know!" she said, accompanied by some footstamping. What did she think I did all day, sat around living off my trust fund? Grrrrrrr!

 

[Flicker]

My friend had a neighbour at her yard who kept pinching the flash off my friend's bridle because she didn't have one of her own. Anyway, my friend arrived at the yard for a lesson and found the flash was missing. Her neighbour had it and was riding so my friend said 'can I have my flash back, I've got a lesson?' and neighbour said 'oh, I've just started riding, can you not find another one to use?' :O :O

Needless to say, the flash was removed from the neighbour's bridle and my friend invested in a lockable tack box...

 

[Shutterbug]

On my last yard one of the girls used to borrow my wheelbarrow every day but I didn't mind as she was never at the yard the same time as me and I was friends with her mum and she always returned it to its proper place. Its head collars and lead ropes I have a problem with - you dare not leave one lying around on my current yard because as soon as your back is turned its gone - and its a big yard. I spent 30 mins hunting down my head collar last week because I made the mistake of leaving it hanging up outside my horses stable. We have massive lockable storgage lockers with shelves and hooks for hanging stuff up and storing rugs and so on - so everything gets locked away.

I lost a saddle on a yard once - it was for my old horse but didnt go with him when I sold him - I was then out of action for a few months following an accident and saddle went walkies never to be seen again! What kind of person thinks its ok to steal a saddle from someone lying in hospital ffs

 

[devilwoman]

This is a gripe of mine too, I never and I really mean never borrow anything from anyone unless i've asked but usually I don't need to as if I need something regularly i'll buy my own. BUT had a woman on my yard (got kicked of 2 months ago thank god) that used to "borrow" everything and literally never got it back, this included 20 bales of hay, shavings fork, wheelbarrow, I ended up having padlocks galore around the yard, never had to lock my hay shed before and suddenly I had to lock it up as i'd get a text from her saying "i've borrowed 5 bales of hay hope that's ok i'll put them back at weekend" but she never ever did put them back, I lost count of the amount of things she took of mine and never replaced, until I locked everything up eventually, and now she's off yard so all good again, as well as me moving to other side of yard in a small american barn all on my own so no-one should go inside my barn as they have absolutely no need to !

 

[el_Snowflakes]

You need to put your foot down. Thats theft! :0

All of our stuff has locks on it at the yard as it saves hassles. Its not teenagers at our yard who are normally the culprit but a tarty older woman who thinks she can take what she wants... when my old horse was pts it took a lot of courage to go up to the yard to move her stuff out. I was greeted by said tarty woman who walked up to me and said "oh, sorry to hear about your horse. Hope you dont mind Iv taken her haynets as you wont be needing them" I was shocked but had much bigger things to worry about than her at that moment in time.......so 6 months later when i got new horse I went down to yard took MY haynets out of HER stables and emptied them out without explanation. Needless to say she never mentioned it

 

[jenbleep]

You need to put your foot down. Thats theft! :0

All of our stuff has locks on it at the yard as it saves hassles. Its not teenagers at our yard who are normally the culprit but a tarty older woman who thinks she can take what she wants... when my old horse was pts it took a lot of courage to go up to the yard to move her stuff out. I was greeted by said tarty woman who walked up to me and said "oh, sorry to hear about your horse. Hope you dont mind Iv taken her haynets as you wont be needing them" I was shocked but had much bigger things to worry about than her at that moment in time.......so 6 months later when i got new horse I went down to yard took MY haynets out of HER stables and emptied them out without explanation. Needless to say she never mentioned it

I can't believe she did that what a horrid insensitive woman!

And I am going to say something, that's if daughter actually brings them back from camp at all and turns out she lost them!! I'll find them covered in hair and I'll say I don't remember you asking to borrow them because I am sure I would have said no

They are only club boots, but it's the principle!!

[/QUOTE] .......so 6 months later when i got new horse I went down to yard took MY haynets out of HER stables and emptied them out without explanation. Needless to say she never mentioned it [/QUOTE]

And I love doing things like this, makes me feel so righteous

 

[Flicker]

The most annoying thing for me is at our yard if you don't nail your hay nets down the staff walk off with them. I've had to retrieve my nets from a hungry and aggressive horse before - not fun!

Devilwoman, I know exactly the type of person you are talking about. We had one, who eventually got chucked off the yard for stealing (sorry 'borrowing') hay and feed (and getting her kids to steal / 'borrow' hay and feed too). We subsequently also found out she was committing benefit fraud. Nice.

 

[Ludi-doodi]

I've actually b***cked someone for taking a thick marker pen of mine - let alone anything more expensive! If people ask 99% of the time they'll get it if I'm not using it, but don't ask ...

I haven't yet had to resort to emptying out the contents of my wheelbarrow when someone has used it back into their stable, but I would have no hesitation in doing so! My wheelbarrow and mounting block (made by my Dad!) have a notice on written in said marker pen that if borrowed must be returned.

 

[Swift08]

It used to drive me mad! I don't mind my mucking out tools being used if they ask first and don't use them when I need them and return them. What I really hated was people going through my grooming box, taking my plaiting bands and more annoyingly hoof ointment and fly spray! They are my things that I or my mum had bought to be used on my horse not theirs. Have also been on a yard where it was mixed livery and the people that were on 5 day full never had their own tools so used to come down to the DIY lot, take the things and leave the wheelbarrows full and the tools in various places, then get all annoyed when you take them back again!!
Used to be on a yard where someone took bute from me and was also known for taking feed and supplements. It was vital that I was stocked up on bute because Pharaoh was ill. I never minded a sachet being used in an emergency until the vet could come (and more often than not, the owner would give me a sachet back) but to take it and not even ask/let me know was not on.
Thankfully where Misty is now kept there are not many people there and I share a locked tackroom with very trustworthy people

 

[jenbleep]

taking my plaiting bands and more annoyingly hoof ointment and fly spray!

Ohh yes that's another thing!! I have some Bloom N Groom which was like £10 a bottle and it's nearly all gone....I use it once a month IF THAT when we have a show but funnily enough it's nearly empty!

I can't wait to get my box

 

[AmyMay]

I'm going to get a lockable tack box

Would keep my stuff in nothing else.

 

[little_critter]

We have kids camp on at the moment so when I get there in the evening I have to play hunt the mucking out tools.
Saying that one of the livery's daughters must only be about 4 and very politely asks every time she wants to borrow my shovel; of course I always say yes, and it's always replaced when she's finished.

 

[LiveryList]

GGGGggggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr............... tell me about it.

I dont have such an issue with people borrowng my stuff occasionally if only they would PUT IT BACK and not get lulled into the sense that it is theirs!!!!

 

[hollyandivy123]

ok a sneaky trick to play about fly spray de-tangler, use an old bottle only works if white, put in some garlic oil and water and if you are really bad a bit of purple spray......................then go hunting for the garlic purple one.

 

[JenniferS]

That's awful! I've had a problem as well, but it wasn't even a livery, it was the yard owner!

When I got Rhea I was at another yard, but didn't plan on Rhea going there. I said I would continue riding her ponies, but she was mentioning everyday 'I'm going to sell the ponies' so what's the point in me hanging around?! So I said I would continue riding them until they were sold but no, that wasn't good enough. Told her we'd bought Rhea and she seemed alright with it. Then the next night I received a text saying I've never to come to her yard again!! And my stuff was dumped at the gate!!! Drive up, to find everything was in two black bin bags and was open for anyone to take! It's on a main road ffs! You're talking about £600 worth of stuff! Made a list to see what was missing and there was a few things like brushes etc, fine keep them. Then I realised my brand new reins were missing and worst of all my green £120+ rare-like-hens-teeth Equiline rug wasn't there!
A friend that knows her went up for a visit and tried to get my rug, but the evil woman just said:

"It's my rug, it was never hers. I'm not giving it to her"

I cried and cried, it was a gorgeous rug that I did buy! Never seen another one, truely gutted. I'd do a lot to get it back. And after that came all the cyberbullying, very mature coming from a 48 year old woman, eh?

I know how you all feel

 

[galaxy]

That's one thing I like at the yard I'm on is that this "borrowing" thing never happens.

We only realised it was like this until one of the girls had a woman come up to ride her horse a couple of times a week and things started moving. Randomly she had a thing about leather headcollars!!!! The horse she was riding only had a nylon one, so she used to help herself to mine or my friends!!!!!!!!! She'd adjust it and never put it back where she got it from. A couple of other things in the tack room kept moving too.

After a couple of weeks I text the owner of the horse and said that we were REALLY unhappy about it and the girls attitude to other peoples stuff. It did stop. But I just don't think she saw taking and peoples thing (esp people she didn't know) as unusual, odd or not the done thing. I find that so bizarre. I would NEVER help myself to someones stuff.