PEOPLE LISTING ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ENGLISH AS ENGLISH ON EBAY

I back Matt to the hilt over this one, it's not just snowhill who sell indian made bridles made out of english leather, Shires James Stirling range are the same, made out of english leather but the actual bridle is made in india using indian lorinery and craftsmanship.
It's the craftly worded (misleading) auctions by the sellers on ebay I protest against, I have a snowhill and a shires trade account and used to sell these bridles BUT I was entirely honest with my customers and told them exactly where the item was made, so they could choose whether they wanted it or not.
I have reported sellers on ebay who are stating that the snowhill heritage bridles are made in england and i have reported them to trading and advertising standards as they are breaking the UK trading laws with false claims of where the item was made.
It is on going as I write.
Matt, like me, has been making top quality saddlery for more years than snowhill has been in existance.
 
Matt is correct in saying that an English bridle cannot be made for as little as £15, or even £40 for that matter If you are paying peanuts, do not expect top quality.

From how I read it, Matt called his Company Heritage prior to the other one, so should not need to change his name. Matt, would you confirm/deny this please?
 
unicornleather......snowhill DO NOT claim that their bridlework in made in the UK. I'm ot sure why you are also intent on badmouthing their business but be careful....

Plus I would more believe that the people who sell Heritage Leather Work on eBay, including myself, simply don't know where the products are made so rather than using 'clever wording', they are telling the truth. The bridles are made from English Leather from Samuel Sharps...simple as....and you really should be careful about what you insinuate about big companies who would think nothing about taking you to court over this defamation!

ETA if I hadn't registered my company with companies house and secured the trademark it would be my own fault if another company came along with the same name and did everything officially.
 
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I have not SAID snowhill have claimed their bridles are made in England have I?
The seller on ebay DOES know they are breaking the laws as I have e mailed them informing them where these bridles are actually made, so they as a responsible seller should then check with snowhill to make sure they KNOW where the bridles are made.
 
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I have not SAID snowhill have claimed their bridles are made in England have I?
The seller on ebay DOES know they are breaking the laws as I have e mailed them informing them where these bridles are actually made, so they as a responsible seller should then check with snowhill to make sure they KNOW where the bridles are made.

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You craftly worded you post to make me believe that that's what you thought....and you've never emailed me....

The OP however IS trying to say that Snowhill claim the bridles are made in the uk.
 
Snowhill will tell you if you ask them where the bridles are made, I asked Peter in snowhill's warehouse when I was still selling the bridles myself, he makes no pretence of where they are made.
I will certainly be e mailing you on ebay if I see any indian made bridles for sale and claiming them to be made in england.
It is against the law(trading laws) to claim items made abroad are made here.
PLEASE show me where matt has said that snowhill are claiming that they are made in England as I have read his posts and I can't see him saying that anywhere?
 
I always believed that all the cheaper 'English' bridles on ebay are English leather, but put together in India. The metalwork is also Indian I was told. The OP's ones are English leather, and made in England. Isn't Rhinegold stuff the same (put together in India) but with German leather?
Like anything you get what you pay for. I bought my bridle from barker saddlery which is all English leather and made in England with brass fittings. It cost £97 and that's what I would expect to pay. I've looked at the OP's stuff and think it looks great value for the genuine article. Am planning on getting one at some point, mainly because I want a proper old fashioned drop noseband that no-one makes anymore (so it would need to be to order).
If on a budget then these cheaper bridles offer decent leather with the compromise of being put together in India. I do however agree that the marketing can be misleading and it's good to make people more aware.
 
unicornleather, the OP, which to me insinuates the leather is 'imported' or foreign. Oh and they are made with SAMUEL SHARPS English Leather!

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This is not the case.They are also not made by Samual Sharpes.
It's quite simple,they are made for Snowhill Equestrian from Sam Sharpes leather in India.

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what the OP means is imported bridles made with samuel sharps leather being passed off as english made bridles by ebayers NOT by snowhill!
Ring snowhill and ask them where the bridles are made if you doubt what matt and I are saying.
 
I'm not doubting what Snowhill say, I'm just saying that Matt should not be badmouthing them, as he was. Naming a company as he did in his OP is classed as defamation...he said that bridlework made by Snowhill is of poor quality. And he also explicitly said they were 'imports', which to most people means imported leather.
 
How is it defamation when he is telling the truth, surely it's defamation if he tells lies.

He says the bridles are made using english leather but actually made in india, yet some unscrupulous sellers on ebay (not snowhill themselves) are claiming that the bridles in question are english made, when that is not in fact the case.

I'm seeing no defamation. He isn't accusing Snowhill of doing anything wrong. The people he's saying are doing wrong are not named.
 
I was completely confused by your aggressive stance at the very beginning of this discussion TK, but now I think I understand ... you are the eBay seller that Heritage Saddlery has the beef with? Is that right?
 
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I'm not doubting what Snowhill say, I'm just saying that Matt should not be badmouthing them, as he was. Naming a company as he did in his OP is classed as defamation...he said that bridlework made by Snowhill is of poor quality. And he also explicitly said they were 'imports', which to most people means imported leather.

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T_K, just read the OP's posts, and he at no point says that they are poor quality, he says they are imported. He does not badmouth Snowhill, rather he states a fact.
 
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I was completely confused by your aggressive stance at the very beginning of this discussion TK, but now I think I understand ... you are the eBay seller that Heritage Saddlery has the beef with? Is that right?

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LOL no, I haven't sold anything for a while and I tend to just write down whatever is on the tag and Heritage stuff(as I know it) doesn't.

I'm angry because, IMO, the OP suggested that Snowhill didn't used Samuel Sharps leather but passed it off as so and that the Heritage name was HIS but I've only ever associated Heritage with the cheap stuff from Snowhill.
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Earlier on in the thread people did think that the OP was suggesting the Heritage stuff was 'fake', which it isn't. To me he has made people think bad of Snowhill by doing this - whether intentional or not. That's just my opinion and it drives me mad when people get angry about something they could've prevented themselves i.e. if he had registered his company name with companies house.
 
Ah that's why you became so excited about it; see, I didn't read him as saying that, that's why I couldn't understand why you were jumping up and down.
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It's quite simple,they are made for Snowhill Equestrian from Sam Sharpes leather in India.

He actually said they DID use Sam Sharpes leather just that it wasn't made by Samuel Sharpes(or are they two different people??)
Sorry I read it as the Ebay sellers are implying/stating its made in England not Snowhill themselves.TBH surely Snowhill would not want to be misrepresented this way cos know if I bought something and wasn't what I thought I would probably avoid name Snowhill so in their best interest to sort it surely.
If got total wrong end of stick sorry.
 
"The Finest English Leather Bridle"

Made by

Samuel Sharps (Curriers) Ltd

I am sorry, but that is 100% MISLEADING if the product is made in India - I am an intelligent woman and I would 100% think that that product is made and crafted in the UK, as it states!
 
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"The Finest English Leather Bridle"

Made by

Samuel Sharps (Curriers) Ltd

I am sorry, but that is 100% MISLEADING if the product is made in India - I am an intelligent woman and I would 100% think that that product is made and crafted in the UK, as it states!

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Pretty much every single ad for the heritage bridles (by sellers auctioning/ebaying those made by Snowhill) is just as ambiguous. The implication is that they are hand made in england, though they very carefully don't say that. I think it's very misleading personally.
 
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You craftly worded you post to make me believe that that's what you thought....and you've never emailed me....


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I also took it from your comment T_K that you are the eBay seller that Matt is concerned with - otherwise why would he have ever emailed you?
 
Here are the facts about what they are made of and by whom:

1)SAMUEL SHARP, he is a tanner and currier who is UK based and makes English leather

2) SNOWHILL TRADE SADDLERY are a UK based saddlery wholesaler, I have an account with them too

3)HERITAGE is a name used by Snowhill AND Matt Marlow, Matt was using the name long ago before snowhill started trading

4)The Heritage range made FOR snowhill is NOT made by samuel sharp, he ONLY makes the leather and has no input into the actual making of the bridles

5)You can identify snowhill's range of heritage as they have bridle badges on the browband of their bridles, Matt's don't

6) snowhill provide a bridle that is economically priced and the boss at snowhill is straight with you if you ask him where the bridles are made, he is not misleading anyone

7) the snowhill heritage range is actually machined up in india using indian made buckles and fittings

8)matt's heritage range is made entirely in the UK

I am not out to mislead or upset anyone but just want to clarify the facts so potential customers can satisfy themselves as to whether they want to buy an indian made bridle or a real english made bridle.
 
The label, as I quoted above, is 100% misleading - it doesn't say "The leather is made by Samuel Sharp", it says
"The Finest English Leather Bridle"

Made by

Samuel Sharps (Curriers) Ltd

Which ANY lay person would take to mean that it was made by a company called Samuel Sharps which are based in England because of the Ltd!
 
WOW WOW WOW THERE!
How dare you,my company is reg at companies house as HERITAGE BESPOKE SADDLES.
Read carefully and I did not say it was not English leather,I said it was not made in England.
And I did not name my business the same as they,my father began using the name Heritage many years ago and I can prove that.It'd just that we did not protect that name but if I wanted I could prove we used it first and take it further.
Get your facts straight please before you start shouting at me.
 
I do not use sharpes I use Sedgewicks leather and I have not said "Snowhill" advertise it as Made in England.
You need to read my post more caefully...My beef is with the sellers of these bridles who say they are Made in England not with the maker.
Please re read my posts.

I m not disgruntled about my costs,the products are so much better and my customers know that.e
 
Thanks for that info UnicornLeather.

I have to say that I was misunderstanding the difference between a bridle being, from start to finish Made in England, or being tanned in England and then made up, sewn and buckle-fitted in another country.

Is it the case that leather that is tanned in Britain is of a better consistency for useage in British weather than the Indian tanned stuff? Only genuine Indian leatherwork seems drier and cracks more easily.

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My company is listed under HERITAGE BESPOKE SADDLES and we,my father nad I ,have been using the Heritage name for donkeys years.
Do your homework and stop trying to put me down just cos you sell there bridles,It's making you look silly.
All I am saying is some SELLERS are saying there bridles are made in England and they are not.
That's all I am saying so please do not get personal and do not say I am not a reg business,I am.
 
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