People who do not realise how lucky they are....RANT alert!

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Arghhhh so rage filled! Why is it in the last month I have come accross endless people who have horses who totally do not deserve them?! They either have no clue what they are doing and don't even take action when their horse shows serious colic signs or they just blatantly cannot afford them and have run up debts here there and everywhere! By no means do I stick my nose in to other people's business but when an owner cannot even be bothered to put a LW rug on an incredibly underweight horse but just whips the stable rug off and chucks horse out!

I found it so frustrating - sadly I am not in the position to have my own horse at the moment but I really like to think when I do get my own for the first time I will be appreciative and do anything for the horse. God forbid I am ever like some of the people I have come accross! I like to think the horses I share, loan or even turn out or bring in I treat as my own and do anything no matter how long it might take to get a rug on, or to poo pick someone else's field!

Phew! I feel better already. A huge coffee, chocolate biscuits and some darn good waterproofs for all who read!
 
I know what you mean makes me sick! if they can't be arsed to look after them properly why have them in the first place? some people have this attitude that a horse cannot feel anything grrrrrrrrr I'm up there now lol lol lol
 
No offense......but if you don't know the horse(s) in question....then there may be perfectly good reasons for the owners doing what they are doing....

....even if one of my horses was incredibly underweight- right now I wouldn't be putting a turnout rug on it, even a LW one.....too sweaty in the recent heat.....
 
poppymoo I know both the horses in question very well and owners for that matter- one I share and one has been on the same yard as my share horse for a long time! Hence why it makes me so mad! I am so attached to both horses that it winds me up more I think!

If it was a hot day I wouldn't put a LW on but a day like today (it has been raining all night and all day and there is a chill in the air) I would!
 
I remind my horse on a daily basis of how lucky she is. It costs me an absolute fortune to keep her in veterinary products, see to her twice daily, wait on her hand foot and finger, ensure she is the right temperature, and dry, has a full belly of the correct food for her needs and as pain-free as I can manage and she doesn't even earn her keep as she is fully retired. All I get in return is to be used as a scratching post and something to wipe her mouth on after she has finished a bucket of soaked feed. But then I look at the poor little ponies in the next field, crippled, neglected and in pain, and one is only about 8 years old. I won't be replacing my old girl when she goes as I want to put as much distance between myself and owners such as them. The horse world seems to attract idiots and I don't want to inhabit it any more.
 
i agree, i hear all the time people saying they love their horse/pony but don't do anything with them, they either get someone else to bring their horse in and then quickly muck out before leaving or they just leave it out as they can't be bothered to bring in.
also it annoys me when people complain that they can't ride their horse due to one thing or another yet when the horse is completely healthy or the owner has been told by the vet to ride the horse to help it they don't. i also have them people telling me that i should have my horse pts as i'm obviously not getting anything out of it. i get more out of grooming my horse than they do out of theirs, simply because i do everything but ride my horse and i appreciate him.
 
riding_high it is like you have just read my mind! both those situations are exactly what I am finding!!!

fapiggy - your horse sounds like it has landed on it's feet!! glad they get a daily reminder to appreciate it!!! :D
 
justjoules said:
poppymoo I know both the horses in question very well and owners for that matter- one I share and one has been on the same yard as my share horse for a long time! Hence why it makes me so mad! I am so attached to both horses that it winds me up more I think!

If it was a hot day I wouldn't put a LW on but a day like today (it has been raining all night and all day and there is a chill in the air) I would!
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Aaah well then...

Sometimes its hard to keep your mouth shut, I know....I find it best to wait to be asked for my opinion. There's been loads of times I've wanted to say stuff but I've bitten my tongue - for fear of unleashing livery yard hell:eek::D
 
poppymoo said:
Aaah well then...

Sometimes its hard to keep your mouth shut, I know....I find it best to wait to be asked for my opinion. There's been loads of times I've wanted to say stuff but I've bitten my tongue - for fear of unleashing livery yard hell:eek::D
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Oh I bite my tongue - I always doubt my own opinion so never voice it to others. If they want help they will ask for it and if they ask me to put horse out and it needs rug I just do it! Besides there are more than enough people already on the yard who are convinced they know it all....am sure they would tell half the professionals how they should be riding their horses....:D
 
Oh goodness, I must be really cruel, none of mine have rugs on even in the rain! Gosh will they shrink?????
 
justjoules said:
Besides there are more than enough people already on the yard who are convinced they know it all....am sure they would tell half the professionals how they should be riding their horses....:D
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Indeed.....and possibly these people rarely/never ride but spend a lot of time leaning over fences passing judgement:rolleyes:

Best thing about not being on a livery yard - I can avoid this type of person.:D
 
i have found from personal experience that the people who shout the loudest about how to do things (on a yard) actually know very little and are quoting the books!
i'm more likely to listen to the people who keep quiet but on the odd occassion ask for a second opinion than i am to the ones who shout and dictate!
 
Reverse snobbery? Spend more time earning money and less on judging other people (and FWIW I wouldn't put a rug on a horse at this time of year unless there was a serious reason-sun on the skin is an excellent pick me up)
 
Aramanta - rugging should always be a decision made for the horse's benefit, not the owner's. The other morning, after several very warm days it was "only" 17 degrees at 8am and there was just a light breeze but my 28 year old Welsh x was already shivering. When she starts getting cold she goes into shutdown mode, stays in one spot and stops eating. There isn't much grazing and she relies on her am and pm feeds. Once she'd scoffed her breakfast, she felt much better and toddled off with her friends again. Her sensitivity to the cold is probably because she is on daily anti-inflammatories. Don't forget that we take them to reduce a fever because they lower the body temperature. So sometimes I rug my horse when everyone else is quite happy and comfortable as nature intended. There is no one size fits all rule for rugging.
 
justjoules said:
but when an owner cannot even be bothered to put a LW rug on an incredibly underweight horse but just whips the stable rug off and chucks horse out!
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An underweight horse is likely to have a poor coat - so by taking the rug off when turned out allows horse to roll and remove dead hairs etc. and will be very beneficial for horse to get sun on his back.
Horses do not melt in the rain!


justjoules said:
time I will be appreciative and do anything for the horse.
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But a horse is a horse, not a dog! A horse has a very good coat and can live out all year round provided it has enough food and shelter to keep it warm. It is great that you want to do anything for your horse, but don't forget it is a horse! They don't melt in the rain :p

:)
 
fatpiggy said:
Aramanta - rugging should always be a decision made for the horse's benefit, not the owner's. The other morning, after several very warm days it was "only" 17 degrees at 8am and there was just a light breeze but my 28 year old Welsh x was already shivering. When she starts getting cold she goes into shutdown mode, stays in one spot and stops eating. There isn't much grazing and she relies on her am and pm feeds. Once she'd scoffed her breakfast, she felt much better and toddled off with her friends again. Her sensitivity to the cold is probably because she is on daily anti-inflammatories. Don't forget that we take them to reduce a fever because they lower the body temperature. So sometimes I rug my horse when everyone else is quite happy and comfortable as nature intended. There is no one size fits all rule for rugging.
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I agree, but mine don't need them and neither do most healthy horses in this weather, 17 degrees is NOT cold - my 32yo (granted on good grazing) is doing absolutely fine without a rug on and none of the others have one on either.

The OP was passing judgement on another livery and saying she would never treat a horse in that way, she seems to need to realise that you can over rug as much as you can under rug.

I was more commenting on the OP passing judgement than anything else
 
fatpiggy said:
Don't forget that we take them to reduce a fever because they lower the body temperature.
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Strictly speaking, no. They lower the body temperature during a fever because they target and inhibit the inflammatory and immune pathways which are causing the feverous increase in body temperature. In a "normal" animal, these pathways aren't constituitively active - other than during infection - so NSAIDs won't lower their temperature (as inhibiting a pathway which isn't active anyway won't have any effect). NSAIDs inhibit two pathways - one is involved in inflamation (this is the one responsible for decreasing fever temp) and is only induced in infection. While the other is constituitively active, it isn't relevant to fever but is responsible for some of the side effects of NSAIDs. One of these is that NSAIDs actually prevent the normal nocturnal drop in temperature...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8848472
 
I think it's great you take such an interest in other horse's welfare. It's also great that you're preparing to own your own horse. If I were you, I'd take this time as an opportunity to learn as much as you can, and ASK the owners why they do certain things. If something annoys you, question them casually. You might learn some perfectly valid reasons for rugging/not rugging in this weather. If the owners are doing something wrong, your question might be enough to make them rethink what they're doing.
 
BeBopTalulah said:
I think it's great you take such an interest in other horse's welfare. It's also great that you're preparing to own your own horse. If I were you, I'd take this time as an opportunity to learn as much as you can, and ASK the owners why they do certain things. If something annoys you, question them casually. You might learn some perfectly valid reasons for rugging/not rugging in this weather. If the owners are doing something wrong, your question might be enough to make them rethink what they're doing.
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Wise words, OP before passing judgement, find out if there is a valid reason. Not everyone does things the same way and the way you do it is not always the right way.

My thin skinned spanish horses are all out without rugs, there is no way on this earth that I would put even a LW on in temperatures above 14/15 degrees. None of mine are shivering not even my 31yo anglo.
 
only_me said:
An underweight horse is likely to have a poor coat - so by taking the rug off when turned out allows horse to roll and remove dead hairs etc. and will be very beneficial for horse to get sun on his back.
Horses do not melt in the rain!




But a horse is a horse, not a dog! A horse has a very good coat and can live out all year round provided it has enough food and shelter to keep it warm. It is great that you want to do anything for your horse, but don't forget it is a horse! They don't melt in the rain :p

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Totally agree with the above. Will do all that is necessary for my beauty, but I do have a 'no nonsence' attitude. Why would you want to rug up a horse in the summer, rain or shine?:confused:
 
I feel very sorry for you as a youngster i really wanted a horse longed and longed for one. Now i have four all i do is moan oh i wet again, my god did you have a party in this stable,fed up at getting up at six oclock moan moan its all i seem to do but my horses always come first id rather starve than my horses I have forgotton how much i really wanted one And like you say i should be very gratefull i have them
 
BeBopTalulah said:
I think it's great you take such an interest in other horse's welfare. It's also great that you're preparing to own your own horse. If I were you, I'd take this time as an opportunity to learn as much as you can, and ASK the owners why they do certain things. If something annoys you, question them casually. You might learn some perfectly valid reasons for rugging/not rugging in this weather. If the owners are doing something wrong, your question might be enough to make them rethink what they're doing.
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Brilliantly put!
 
Well excuse me for losing my job the same day I got a £500 vets bill which I now have to pay off in instalments, clearly I cannot afford my horses :mad:
Agree on the whole not rugging thing but don't tar the owners who happen to owe people money, sometimes $hit happens.
 
riding_high said:
i agree, i hear all the time people saying they love their horse/pony but don't do anything with them
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This stance gets on my nerves more than anything else - people bandying that opinion are one of the contributory reasons I sold my old horse! A horse doesn't want or need to be ridden nor does it want or need to be fussed over and petted and cossetted..so long as it's teeth and feet are done and its fed and watered adequately - who cares if the owner wants to ride it or not? It makes not one whit of difference to the horse - and shouldn't to anyone else either.

Just smacks of jealousy to me!!
 
..." Besides there are more than enough people already on the yard who are convinced they know it all....am sure they would tell half the professionals how they should be riding their horses....:D[/QUOTE]"

Are you perhaps describing yourself here at all....??

Don't jump to such quick conclusions when you see somebody do something to their horse that you a) don't like, b) don't agree with, c) don't understand.
 
Blimey did not expect to get jumped on so harshly! Personally I would rug an underweight ageing TB who is in a field with no grass, no hard feed and gets half a small haynet of haylage a day...

I would just like to add that I by no means think I know it all. I am the first person to ask questions when i am unsure and am constantly asking other people for second opinions or whether I have done what they would have done. I am not a confident rider but nor am I a jealous person. There is nothing wrong with feeling frustrated when people do not appreciate what they have and what other pepole would give for it.

And to the poster who kindly told me to work harder and earn more money so I can have my own horse I am currently doing a degree, while working in order to hopefully one day be in the fortunate position to have one.

I was not judging anyone for what they are doing or the person who had a £500 bill - that is unfortunate timing nothing more and I wish you every success in sorting it.

Certainly know that I will not be asking for advice on here anymore as I feel you just get vilified!
 
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