People who don't like dogs off the lead...

[CAYLA]

I don't meet many people who don;t panick and put their dogs on the lead, when they see my lot, that includes an akita, rotti,staffi, deerhound and atleast 6 others

my dogs will walk to heel at my side, when I pass other dogs, I don't mind if another dog approaches if it's friendly, and I won't swear unless the dog is aggressive and barking, I would be inclined to boot the dog and the owner, my akita also becomes very protective, it a strange dogshows aggression, so basically, it was a wrong move on the owners behalf, esp if I allow her to tell it off

I do agree though, there are many dogs in training, or like me, with a rescue in progress on the end of the lead, like the ddb X staffi, I have in, Im confident enough to reprimand the dog on my lead, but others are not, and I respect that.

 

[Starbucks]

In your situation Cala - do you keep a dog on a lead "because they are nervous of other dogs"? I think not!

They have to put up with being scared and learn to deal with other dogs - I mean, Alfie must have been crapping himself when he first got let out with your mam's lot!!

Tiny dog in the middle of a load of huge ones, did he cope? Yes!

He's a confident little dog now, he's a cocky sod but he can take a telling off from a bigger dog. he knows his place (I think!).

If Cala and her mum can have the amount of (rescue) dogs they have, and keep them happy, then I don't think anyone has an excuse!

 

[Thistle]

I have 3 dogs, the boxer, Spike is huge and 'hates' small dogs who run up to him unannounced. He has been attacked 3 times by a neighbours JRT which keeps escaping from their hourse.

I only let him off if I can see there are no other dogs except mine around (he is allowed off with certain other dogs he knows well)

I get really peed off when I get my back pulled about trying to stop him having a go at rude dogs (usually small and terrier like) whose owners are 1/2 a field away shouting 'it's ok he is friendly' they run pretty quick when I shout - mine hates little dogs and tries to eat them!

In reality he tends to bundle the dog roughly to the ground and not bite, unless he gets bitten first - which is how many of these terrier react when he bundles them. Unfortunately 61/2 stone of angry boxer is difficult to restrain.

I refuse to muzzle him - he is doing nothing wrong.

He will walk past dogs loosley on the lead if they leave him alone.

 

[MurphysMinder]

Starbucks, in your OP you asked why people don't like dogs off lead. I think a lot of us have answered why we don't, and its not because "we have a dog for something to control".
In actual fact you perhaps should have asked why people don't like dogs which are not under control, dogs can be off lead but not bother others if they are under control, as Cala's obviously are. I don't think you should criticise people who choose to keep their dogs on lead when others are about, most people have perfectly legitmate reasons for doing so as they have stated.
I just hope Alfie never gets hurt by running up to another dog and causing it to have a go at him.

 

[kibob]

Simple answer: manners. It is rude not to leash your dog if another is approaching on lead. Unless, as has been said by others, you KNOW you can control your dog and keep it under control whilst the other dog passes. It shows respect to others.

 

[_Acolyte_]

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Agree - very funny!

Why don't you like other dogs bothering yours? Sounds like your dog want them to!

There is the biggest greyhound I've ever seen comes in our local parks (Bob - he's really gorgeous!!), he thinks he's a big bully boy and chases the little dogs but he'd never do anything, it's funny to see all their owners pick them up and shout at his owner!

Alfie is tiny, Bob tries to chase him and Alfie turns round and balks (well yaps) at him, and Bob runs away!

It's funny!

I do think some people should chill out.

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Starbucks you are starting to sound rude now, and I am not going to bother replying to this thread again after I have answered your question. I do not want my dogs bothering other dogs for two reasons (1) because I dont know whether the other dog may be aggressive, have kennel cough, or have some other transmittable disease which I dont want mine to get (2) because it is good manners not to let your dog bother other dogs - some people do not want a 25kg greyhound coming over and trying to pick up little Fluffy and run around with it in its mouth

I dont need to chill out, I am happy with the way I look after my dogs and they are happy with the way they are walked

 

[Starbucks]

Ok, didn't mean to offend anyone, just a discussion.

 

[CAYLA]

Good point MM, if u are at a distance, when u cannot get to your dog, and the one on the lead is not sociable, but looks it from a distance, little alf could have been decapitated

by the time you get there, and the owner, who has had the dog maybe a day, may simply let go in panick, or another scenario, the owner may have a lovely extendy lead....that could snap

, I have known smaller dogs killed by a dog restrained by a lead

a westi was the last, it was brought into work with a broken neck

it has been ragged by a rotti

 

[Kenniford]

Personally i dont like dogs off leads in puclic places. I am a total dog lover having 5 dogs of my own and groom dogs also. BUT, whilst at the beach last summer with my 3 year old daughter who was playing in the sand a couple came on the beach with 2 springers and they were everywhere, no leads and shouldnt have been on beach at that time of year, not allowed during the season down here. One of the spaniels went flat out toward my daughter and was not going to stop. I shouted at the owners who were quite a way away and recieved abuse back. It really shock me as i only got to my daughter seconds before the dog did. Maybe he wouldnt have done anymore than knock my daughter over but who knows! I think dogs should be on leads in public places. I never leave my daughter with our dogs and i know them inside out. ok rant over! still makes me mad all this time on when i think what could have happened!

 

[CAYLA]

Must say, I don't have children, but I absoloutely do not agree with letting dogs run up to them whilst out, you have every reason to get angry, even to have knocked her off her feet could cause serious damage, shame on the owners for having a go at you, I think I would have panned their heads in

 

[Foxyfilly]

I'm wondering why you've bought this up yet again Starbucks?
Seems to be your fave thing to post when you want to stir some [****].

 

[jasmine]

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Simple answer: manners. It is rude not to leash your dog if another is approaching on lead. Unless, as has been said by others, you KNOW you can control your dog and keep it under control whilst the other dog passes. It shows respect to others.

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Beautifully put. I have 2 shibas which are never allowed off the lead. Basically they would never come back, plus my older bitch is quite aggressive toward other dogs. I would love nothing more than to let my pup off to play with other dogs, if only there was somewhere secure to do this.

 

[CAYLA]

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In your situation Cala - do you keep a dog on a lead "because they are nervous of other dogs"? I think not!

They have to put up with being scared and learn to deal with other dogs - I mean, Alfie must have been crapping himself when he first got let out with your mam's lot!!

Tiny dog in the middle of a load of huge ones, did he cope? Yes!

He's a confident little dog now, he's a cocky sod but he can take a telling off from a bigger dog. he knows his place (I think!).

If Cala and her mum can have the amount of (rescue) dogs they have, and keep them happy, then I don't think anyone has an excuse!

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I see your poin to an extent, but we deal with dogs on a huge scale, and have alot of confidence and experience, and knowledge of the dogs we handle, we allow the dogs to interact in a controlled environment, outside the walls, we have no control of unfamiliar dogs and their handlers, and for this reason, a level of respect and caution must be aired.

I would never have allowed a dog to hurt alfie or any other whilst introducing him/them to a large pack, I was there to step in, amongst dogs that where well disciplined by me or my mam, however outside I cannot guarantee that level of safety when the dog in quesion is loose and out of my hands/capabilities......therefor, they are fair game, unless I can run like Linford Chritie

, and the dog on the lead, does not know me from adam, and has no reason to obey any command I give.
The owner may be a very inexperienced dog owner, with a dog out of their capabilities to handle.
This may make the owner become upset/aggressive towards the other dog owner.

I have seen many a dog fight and dog killed, and so will many a dog owner, I can see why they would air on the side of caution if so.

No doubt, in alot of cases, dogs are more aggressive/frustrated by the lack of interaction with other dogs.

 

[Oneofthepack]

I'm 100% with you! Mine have an absolute ball when they meet up with all their doggy pals, why take that away from them? Dogs are dogs and should be socialised so they can express themselves in doggy ways. And if you don't want your dog to socialise for some reason then either don't walk it where other dogs are off lead or have the good manners to politely explain why and ask that you call your dogs back. I'd deck anyone that spoke to my mum like that.

 

[Oneofthepack]

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Beautifully put. I have 2 shibas which are never allowed off the lead. Basically they would never come back, plus my older bitch is quite aggressive toward other dogs. I would love nothing more than to let my pup off to play with other dogs, if only there was somewhere secure to do this.

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NEVER allowed off lead? What a sad and boring life! And a good example of why dogs should be allowed to be dogs, but only when the owners spend the time to train them to come back and to behave respectfully with other dogs!

 

[Starbucks]

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I'm wondering why you've bought this up yet again Starbucks?
Seems to be your fave thing to post when you want to stir some [****].


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No, it's not my favourite!

I don't see a problem with discussing things, no one is getting personal or upset so all is good.

 

[Kenniford]

They did have a peice of my mind eventually! Dont get me wrong theres nothing like a dog having freedom to run and play but there are times and places to let them do so. Common sense and a bit of thought for others is all that is needed

 

[piebaldsparkle]

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have the good manners to politely explain why and ask that you call your dogs back. I'd deck anyone that spoke to my mum like that.

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Who's to say that she wasn't asked nicely 1st.

 

[piebaldsparkle]

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Simple answer: manners. It is rude not to leash your dog if another is approaching on lead. Unless, as has been said by others, you KNOW you can control your dog and keep it under control whilst the other dog passes. It shows respect to others.

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Exactly MANNERS!!!!

LOL I think it has been shown on more than one post that neither SB or her mum have full control of their dogs.

 

[piebaldsparkle]

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I'm wondering why you've bought this up yet again Starbucks?
Seems to be your fave thing to post when you want to stir some [****].

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LOL I wondered that too. Definite deja-vu feel about the OP don't you think?

 

[piebaldsparkle]

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I'm wondering why you've bought this up yet again Starbucks?
Seems to be your fave thing to post when you want to stir some [****].


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No, it's not my favourite!

I don't see a problem with discussing things, no one is getting personal or upset so all is good.

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Well now I have!!

I'm not upset, but your attitude (or the one you convey via your posts) and the lack of manners/respect you seem to show to those you meet really stinks, and is starting to bore me now.

 

[Oneofthepack]

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have the good manners to politely explain why and ask that you call your dogs back. I'd deck anyone that spoke to my mum like that.

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Who's to say that she wasn't asked nicely 1st.

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Starbucks didn't mention her mother being asked nicely 1st so I'm assuming as he called her a F....... A....... that he wasn't predisposed to ask anything nicely first

 

[suzysparkle]

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Beautifully put. I have 2 shibas which are never allowed off the lead. Basically they would never come back, plus my older bitch is quite aggressive toward other dogs. I would love nothing more than to let my pup off to play with other dogs, if only there was somewhere secure to do this.

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NEVER allowed off lead? What a sad and boring life! And a good example of why dogs should be allowed to be dogs, but only when the owners spend the time to train them to come back and to behave respectfully with other dogs!

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That's a bit harsh. I have Siberian huskies and they are never allowed off the lead They certainly DON'T lead a boring life. They are worked regularly in harness and have a large fenced pen to run about in where they live as a pack. They live for working in harness, it's what they were bred to do. You can train a sibe all you want but they have a VERY strong hunting instinct. They will quite happily chase (and kill) rabbits, sheep, birds, cats and even small dogs etc. If you go and look at any husky forum you will see that those who know and own the breed will tell you never to let them off the lead unless it is an enclosed area (and by that I mean a fence at least 6 feet high and not made from a material that can be scaled ie wood).

On the other hand we also own a Collie who is very rarely on the lead. He totally ignores other dogs and only has eyes for his ball, or whatever else he's chasing. He walks to heel when asked. I must admit, although I wouldn't swear at anyone, I do get hacked off when other dogs run up to mine. If your dog is off the lead and you meet a dog on the lead then yours shouldn't run up to them. It's only polite after all and there may well be good reason for the dog being on a lead ie injury, in season, aggression, timidness etc. Fair enough if the other dog is also off the lead though.

I get really annoyed if loose dogs come charging up to mine when I'm out running them. Several times I have had to stop the team and wait for the owner to fetch their dog who is totally ignoring their frantic shouts. If your dog doesn't respond instantly to recall then it shouldn't be off the lead IMHO.

 

[nijinsky]

I have to say my dogs are usually off the lead but I do live in the middle of nowhere, have lots of land & don't meet an awful lot of people but if I was walking my dogs (always have a collar on them outside) and saw other people walking their dogs on a lead, I would put mine on a lead. One of my dogs is the most friendliest you could get but the other person with his dog doesn't know that as my dog goes bounding towards them.

I think I would be quite angry if I was walking my dog on a lead & a dog/dogs came running towards us, unless you know the dog you have no idea what it's going to do, maybe he was angry, albeit a tad abusive. His dog may have been attacked before, etc, you don't know what was going through his mind as your mum's dog went towards him.

I don't think any dog should be off the lead in a public place until it is fully trained. If my dogs are running ahead I shout wait & they wait. I love my dogs dearly & don't want them to come into any danger whether that be from another dog or running out in front of a car, or whatever the case may be. I don't think that's a bad form of control.

As I said before my dogs are really friendly but a stranger won't know that and you can't blame them for being wary.

 

[Starbucks]

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Starbucks didn't mention her mother being asked nicely 1st so I'm assuming as he called her a F....... A....... that he wasn't predisposed to ask anything nicely first


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That part wasn't in the story I heard.

I think it is more inappropriate for a man to call a women who was on her own in the middle of nowhere a F....... A....... than it is for a blummin dog to say hello to another dog. I would have been quite intimidated!! I would seem I'm on adifferent planet to the majority of HHO on this issue though.

 

[Foxyfilly]

Like you always seem to be....read your previous posts

 

[Starbucks]

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Like you always seem to be....read your previous posts


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Thanks for that.

I don't see why people have to be nasty just because i have posted something that people might disagree on!? Not that you have been nasty.

 

[jasmine]

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Beautifully put. I have 2 shibas which are never allowed off the lead. Basically they would never come back, plus my older bitch is quite aggressive toward other dogs. I would love nothing more than to let my pup off to play with other dogs, if only there was somewhere secure to do this.

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NEVER allowed off lead? What a sad and boring life! And a good example of why dogs should be allowed to be dogs, but only when the owners spend the time to train them to come back and to behave respectfully with other dogs!

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As Suzysparkle wrote about her huskys been hunters, so are shibas. They can and will kill smaller animals. So i keep them on a lead for theirs and others safety. Yes i agree it isnt ideal, but like i pointed out, the older bitch is dog aggressive anyway.

 

[Oneofthepack]

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As Suzysparkle wrote about her huskys been hunters, so are shibas. They can and will kill smaller animals. So i keep them on a lead for theirs and others safety. Yes i agree it isnt ideal, but like i pointed out, the older bitch is dog aggressive anyway.

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Yeah sorry! Hoped my post would slip under your radar as it hit me too late to edit that it was not my place to question responsible dog owners.

It's the attitude of some people like the man Starbucks first posted about that really bugs me, not that people don't let their dogs off lead. Having watched mine this morning mucking about with their 3 pointer chums and seeing Lizzie do her 90 mile an hour mad dashes I will always think it's a great shame that people can't or won't allow their dogs to mingle but all peoples circumstances and dogs are different.

 

[Oneofthepack]

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That's a bit harsh. I have Siberian huskies and they are never allowed off the lead They certainly DON'T lead a boring life.

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Yeah sorry! Thinking more about the single lab that gets 1/2 hour lead walk a day and is never allowed to mix, as first posted. Obviously all dogs are different and dogs working as a team doing what their bred for is a different kettle of fish entirely and not at all boring