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I think there are a lot of people out there who just want a free horse

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And equally there are a lot of people out there looking to palm of their horses to others - usually because they can't afford to keep them any more.......
 
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And equally there are a lot of people out there looking to palm of their horses to others - usually because they can't afford to keep them any more.......

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If they don't want her for any reason, or it is time for her to retire, then she will be welcome back here at any time.

Not everyone who loans out is trying to palm off a cr*p horse or can't afford to keep them.
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Having said that, I do agree that it sounds like the OP has been very irresponsible in the way she behaved over loaning her horse out, but that doesn't mean that everyone who loans out is like that.
 
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Blimey - not all loaners are like that!

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Not everyone who loans out is trying to palm off a cr*p horse or can't afford to keep them.

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No - of course not. I wasn't insinuating that. Apols if that's how it came across.
 
Well obviously from the lack of response from the OP, she knows that she has not done the right thing regardless of the situation she now finds herself in.

Actions speak a thousand words!! In the meantime i hope the horse has not had to suffer because of her lack of common sense.
 
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I have a super pony that looks as if he won't be able to be more than a hack anymore. He's a bit of a handful, and I don't think that anybody that just wants to hack will be able to cope with him. What on earth shall I do?

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I'm not sure why you think your pony wont be wanted by someone who just wants to hack. Plenty of us are just happy hackers - the idea of competing in front of people and possibly making a fool of myself fills me with dread and means I will never, ever compete but I enjoy just hacking about the countryside and dont think I can be the only one - can I?
 
QR I'm not suprised OP doesn't want to post on this thread again after the way people have been criticising them! Op might be reading this in tears if s/he realised they didn't do the most sensible thing and keep in touch.

I don't think OP is the only one to blame in this story at all. What about the "loaner" who has disappeared?? It seems as if they have turned a horse out to fend for itself, instead of trying to get hold of the owner, or police, ilph etc etc etc. That is incredibly irresponsible.

As for having horses shot because they can't work any more, not my cup of tea, but then I would have to be as sure as I could be when I bought the horse that I could afford to keep it "until death do us part," even if it meant I went years without a horse to ride. 9 years ago I was prepared to do that when I thought my boy would pull through but need to be retired after a severe injury aged 6. Sadly he didn't pull through, but I would do the same today. If circumstances changed and I couldn't afford it any more at any point in its life, I would be rather loan (carefully!) than have them shot.

Just my opinion, I appreciate its different in different circumstances, in particular I couldn't do JM07's job but admire her for her approach to it.
 
Ive been given two ponies. the first was 16 and the old owner said you can get a few years out of her. She is now 36.in good health. Another was advedrtised as aged and free Had him for 7 years. He was the best horse Ive ever had.Sadley he died peacefully in the field. Both of these horses did not cost me any money but were both well cared for. The 36 year old is going nowwhere. She has a lovely life.So dont say if you cant afford to buy a horse you should not have one.
 
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So dont say if you cant afford to buy a horse you should not have one.


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I'm not sure anyone has have they?
 
Certainly I didn't
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I'll take it as you used QR or just replied to me as the last post then!
 
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CotswoldSJ Said if you havent got enough cash to buy one you have not got enough cash to keep one. Same thing

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Ah, hadn't read that -
 
I know of two horses who were going to be put down because they were not wanted/needed anymore. One now has a great home and the other one had a good home with me. Why do people say shoot it if not wanted. As other poster said there are some happy hackers out here who would take an older or unwanted horse. Just give them a chance. Shoot as a last resort.
 
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Because in many cases these horses are no longer wanted because there is something wrong with it - ie permanent lameness - or it needs to be 'retired' for some other medical reason. And many people can't afford to keep these horses, plus continue to pursue their hobby. Essentially they want something to ride.

In cases like this it is far better imo to put something down than for it to end up goodness knows where (Spindles Farm springs to mind).

I'm not saying that every horse should be destroyed when it reaches the end of its working life - of course it shouldn't. But if the best you can do for it is to pass it on to an unknown future - then what would you suggest??
 
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CotswoldSJ Said if you havent got enough cash to buy one you have not got enough cash to keep one. Same thing

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Ah, hadn't read that -

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and what a silly statement that was!


Most horses cost 3k +. How many people have 3k sitting in their bank account? lots of people take out loans or credit cards to buy horses, so in effect they havent 'got' the money either.... the horse belongs to the 'bank' until they've paid off the loan / card.
 
I do agree - passing a horse on to an uncertain future is unfair. I have always said that if I absolutly had to sell one of my 2 I would have to sell the younger, competition standard one, as to sell my 18 year old mare with a history of joint problems would be like sending her straight to market. I could never live with not knowing where she ended up.
Recently my mum's 17 year old pony needed to be found a home. She has had lami in the past and we found it impossible to find a suitable loan home. She is not a charity case by any stretch of the imagintion and I would not presume to ask a charity to take on a healthy pony - we have therefore put her on a retirement livery yard where she can hopefully spend the rest of her days!! Now admittedly we are lucky enough to be able to afford this but I think if there was not that option I would have had her pts than not known where she ended up. Just MHO.
 
Thats ok I'll forgive you!
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Its a difficult one to make a complete generalisation isn't it. I can see why dealers PTS rather than loan out, and I'd rather anyone PTS than transported for meat... not all horses make ideal or easy companions, but personally I wouldn't end the life of my horse just because they have reached the end of their useful working life. I mean, thats like saying "shoot me when I turn 65 because I won't be contributing to the good of society any more and will be a cost and hassle"
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never mind the fact that I made X people's lives happier, paid X in taxes to the economy and only cost Y in return...
 
I agree with you totally. Wanted to make the comparison with pepole myself but didn't have the nerve to. Thought I would be shot down. Just have to agree to disagree with other posters. Everyone has different outlook on life.
 
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You said shoot this horse. Why cant it be given a chance. One of the charities may take it.

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Bottom line is - if you can't afford to keep it, can't find a good home for it - then yes, shoot it. It deserves better than it's got seemingly, and a bullet would be better than letting it wonder round 'ownerless' for two years.
 
I have to agree with the shooting thing though. If you can't find a good home for your neddy to live out the rest of its years peacefully and you don't want it then shoot it. ITs better than the horse being shifted from pillar to post or wandering someones land for 2 years.. I would be absolutely devastated if that was my mare..
 
LOL and no doubt some will think I'm a sentimental fool for saying that but I can live with that!
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Amymay I can see your point, for me I'd just be questioning if all other possibilities had been explored first - back to the original poster's situation - obviously the OP should have drawn up a contract, should have kept in touch etc, but I don't see anything wrong in loaning the horse out under the correct environment. And now - so the horse is effectively unwanted by its owner, the loaner and the man who is claiming £2k, but if I was OP I would now be exploring the possibility of a charity or another loan home (more carefully managed!) before I said ok, I can't find a home and can't keep it, I'll have to shoot it.

I really do feel for the horse in the middle of all this. I hope it gets a happy home somewhere else soon.
 
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Amymay I can see your point, for me I'd just be questioning if all other possibilities had been explored first

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Most, absolutely definately!

I'm not heartless - just a pragmatic, honest.
 
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and what a silly statement that was!

Most horses cost 3k +. How many people have 3k sitting in their bank account?

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I stand by what I said!

I generally pay around £800 for my horses as I am tight! If you haven't got easy access to £1,000 in case of emergency I don't think you should own a horse.

Now if you are paying full insurance and will be covered if your horse gets injured, or causes an accident. And you will never have to pay for the unexpected i.e horse rearing up falling over and busting your saddle. Fair enough.

Not saying you have to be loaded, but if you cannot afford the basics i.e shoeing, worming. DON'T BUY A HORSE!

How many neglect cases say 'oh but I love horses, but I couldn't afford it!'
 
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I have a super pony that looks as if he won't be able to be more than a hack anymore. He's a bit of a handful, and I don't think that anybody that just wants to hack will be able to cope with him. What on earth shall I do?

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I'm not sure why you think your pony wont be wanted by someone who just wants to hack. Plenty of us are just happy hackers - the idea of competing in front of people and possibly making a fool of myself fills me with dread and means I will never, ever compete but I enjoy just hacking about the countryside and dont think I can be the only one - can I?

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I didn't say he wouldn't be wanted, I said I didn't think a happy hacker would able to cope with him because he's a bit of a handful. That might be demeaning to happy hackers - I'm sorry. There may well be someone out there who doesn't want to compete but would be able to cope with his quirks - I just assume happy hackers want to do just that - hack happily - rather than jig and jog on days of the week with an 'r' in them, bomb off on days with an 'e' in them, and be left standing on the odd occasion he decides he wants to get to the field faster than you can walk......

We put up with these oddities because he's brilliant, and they don't happen much if at all when he's in work and in a routine. When he's 'on holiday' though, he's a bit of a nightmare. What to do if he has to retire to hacking only....? I reckon he'll be backwards and forwards to us like a ping pong ball, (that's if he comes back to us and doesn't get passed on goodness knows where) and I don't have my own land to accomodate that - he's at livery. Would being pts not be a better option? I really don't know the answer, but need to come up with one sooner rather than later - I'm open to suggestions.
 
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Just my opinion, I appreciate its different in different circumstances, in particular I couldn't do JM07's job but admire her for her approach to it.

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not sure what that has to do with the OP, TBH???
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I know of two horses who were going to be put down because they were not wanted/needed anymore. One now has a great home and the other one had a good home with me. Why do people say shoot it if not wanted. As other poster said there are some happy hackers out here who would take an older or unwanted horse. Just give them a chance. Shoot as a last resort.

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OP stated horse wouldnt be ridden....by that i take it to mean un-rideable..not through unsoundness...not too useful as a happy hack is it??
 
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and what a silly statement that was!

Most horses cost 3k +. How many people have 3k sitting in their bank account?

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I stand by what I said!

I generally pay around £800 for my horses as I am tight! If you haven't got easy access to £1,000 in case of emergency I don't think you should own a horse.

Now if you are paying full insurance and will be covered if your horse gets injured, or causes an accident. And you will never have to pay for the unexpected i.e horse rearing up falling over and busting your saddle. Fair enough.

Not saying you have to be loaded, but if you cannot afford the basics i.e shoeing, worming. DON'T BUY A HORSE!

How many neglect cases say 'oh but I love horses, but I couldn't afford it!'

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APPLAUSE!!!!
 
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