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I love my new pup but she is the most bloody persistant creature I have ever met. She takes after her mother who was exactly the same.

She currently sleeps in a puppy crate with my older dog next to her but outside in a basket. However, if she decides in the night that she needs a wee or is bored of being in the crate she will start to whine, and whine, and whine, and whine... so i get up, let her out, she wees and goes straight back to bed. No playing, no cuddles, just wee then bed. Now I'm sypathetic to her needing a wee but she is 10months old now and should be learning to hold her bladder better. She is waking me up at least one a night 5 nights out of 7.

At the yard, she is tied up in the tack room with a comfy bed of numnahs and plenty of length of twine whilest I teach. Note, this is because she RUNS OFF if I am in the indoor and she is left on the yard. If I tie my older dog up as well they are both fine, but if I don't (cos the older dog is a good girl and likes to sleep in the sunshine), the pup will whine and whine and whine. I've ignored her for HOURS and she won't quit. She just doesn't seem to understand the whining won't work, she never stops.

So I don't know what to do. Ignoring her ISNT WORKING as we practice this on the yard (when she isn't disturbing anyones sleep by whining). I don't want to let her out of the crate to be loose as if I leave the kitchen door open she scrabbles at my bedroom door whining and if I leave it shut she scratches at the kitchen door, whines and then starts eating my shoes (which live behind the door).

As I said, her mom was the same about barking at the gate and my parents eventually bought a special collar for her which whistles loudly when she barked... not sure if this would work for whining and howling though
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HELP PLEASE??????????? she is driving me mental with this waking up thing. It was twice last night for heavans sake and she isn't a pup anymore.
 
is she a whippet??!!! My whippet whined for months! I just ignored her, even when she was only 7wks old when i first got her - otherwise she would never learn.

Now she never really whines, only if shes cold, then she wimpers!!!!

I never got up to let her out for a wee, but i did let her out around 5am every morning until she was about 6months. Even now at nearly 2years old she still has to be let out by around 7:30/8am depending on what time shes been put to bed the night before.

Whippets cant half whine!!!!!!!
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At ten months she should be able to go through the night without needing a wee. If you restrict her water intake from about 8pm and let out for a wee at around 11pm there's no reason why she can't go all night - unless she has some medical problem.
As for the whining - she might be bored. 10moth old pups need to be kept active physically and mentally. Have you tried leaving her kongs stuffed with meat and frozen? This will give her something to do. Still ignore her though - if a dog gets a result once in a thousand attempts it will continue to try!
 
She gets let out at about 10:00pm which is when I go to bed. I'm usually up and about by 7:00 at the latest.

hmmmm, I think maybe she *is* bored, I might do a bit of a survey to see if there is a relationship between days she gets to hang out at the yard all day mostly running about and days where I'm in the office and she's at home most of the day. It might be that she is mostly whining the night after office days...
 
this is what I think. I mean, sometimes we all need to go in the night (!) so I don't mind the odd get up but I think perhaps she cried genuinely because maybe she has a dodgy stomach or something on ONE occasion and is now thinking 'Hey, heres a way to get a bit of a late night sniff about and a leg stretch'.

Well if she whines tonight, I will find some ear plugs LOL I've not yet managed to out wait her in terms of the whining though... even at the yard where she can be safely left to make a fuss to her hearts content she will persist for hours and hours and hours.
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Yeah, You're probalby right.

Although if I have to get up a midnight to let her out, I might as well get up at 3:00 when she cries...!! without wishing to go into tedious medical details, I have a mild sleep disorder which means I dont' sleep well and when I wake up I find it hard to get back to sleep again. Thats why I go to bed at 10:00.

Actually I put some ear plugs in last night and she was racing about the yard all day Thursday (she came back to the tack room reaking of fox bless her) and it was fine last night. I think perhaps she is at an age where she 'could' hold her bladder but she's discovered it is easier to cry. I'm also goning to make sure that I give her a quick walk around the block before bed so she has definitely emptied her bladder (and the rest LOL).

thanks!
 
At the age of 10months I def. expected my dog to last the full night without a wee. Although she is up at 5.30 in the morning with my dad. Last out about 11pm. She soon learnt that whining got her nowhere! Very rarely would she ever need out at night. Infact she prefers to cross her little legs and stay in her nice warm bed
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We got a pup last week and it tried the whole whining (just for attention, not needing to pee or anything) and within an hour she'd learnt it got her nowhere. I was impressed at how quickly she learnt!
 
When I did my training with the Hearing Dogs for the Deaf we were told NOT to let the pups out for a wee after they were put to bed.
They very quickly learn not to pee where they sleep and will sleep all night.
One other mistake people tend to make is to use a cage which is too big. The cage should be just big enough for them to stand in. This is so that they feel safe and snuggly, they settle down and go to sleep. If it is a 'cage' rather than a box, try covering it with a blanket to make it darker.n This helps to make them feel secure too.

Whatever you do try, (and different things work for different dogs) you need to persevere. There is absolutely no point in trying one thing for a night then changing what you do. Routine is EVERYTHING.

Good luck - I truly hope you find something that works for both of you.
 
My whippets whine when they are cold - does she curl up with the other whippet? My two both cuddle up with the labrador when they are cold (big fat yellow hot water bottle!!!) Perhaps you could try leaving the cage open and weaning her out of it so she can snuggle up....
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I would say that a 10mth old puppy tied up in a tack room and ignored for hours definitely IS bored!!!

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Hmmmmmm, well I see where you are coming from but it isnt' quite like that...

She is tied up with a long piece of string that allows her to walk all the way to the door and so she can see out on the yard. And she is usually only tied up while I am teaching (so for about 1 hr at a time). When I am out on the yard she is out as well

She has only been tied up for longer when she was whining and I didn't want to go and untie her cos I didn't want to reward the whining. Basically I was trying to break the whining habit because it is easier to do it on the yard than at night when me, my housemate and my neighbours are trying to sleep.

And she will settle in the tack room happily if I tie my other dog up as well, so this is what I do 90% of the time. Sometimes tho, if I am in a rush and the older dog is sleeping in the sun, I just tie the pup up and the whining is instant. I don't think it is boredem, more THIS ISNT FAIR I WANT OUT as I have known her sit on the tack room step, watching me sweeping the yard and still whine.
 
Maybe the cage is a bit too big because she also wees in that sometimes. funny tho because she wees towards the back of the cage. It is pretty snuggly in there, she has newspaper followed by vetbed with two fleece blankets over the top.

I did put the other dog in with her but it look crowded and the other dog HATED it and always had a stroppy bark and a snap at her.

Good idea to cover the cage. I did have it covered with an old T/O rug and she was better then. I removed the T/O rug cos it looked really untidy. I'd not made the link between her behaviour and taking the cover off! Sod the apperance, I'll put it back on tonight.

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I guess this is the point of my post really. All the other dogs I've owned/known seem to learn that whining doesn't work but mine simply won't quit. When she was a pup she whined all night every night for a week until I gave up and put the older dog in the crate with her. She really DOESNT learn the dont whine thing. It is almost as if she forgets how to stop whining because even when I go to her and say untie her (at the yard for example) she will carry on whining for a while quietly to herself.

I know people say to out wait them but the night is only so long and I can't leave her in the cage indefinitely... likewise I can't camp out at the yard until she stops whining, I want to go home myself. And so far, in the 10months I've had her I've NEVER EVER know her to quit the whining no matter how long I've left her (this includes all night every night for a week until the neighbours complained).
 
Well, it seems that she is objecting to being tied up then! What about trying a baby gate across the tack room door so she can see you but she's safely tucked away.
 
TBH I just tie the other dog up as well and then untie them both at the end of the lesson and they are both fine then, curled up asleep on a pile of polypads usually.

I only really used the yard example to illustrate the fact that I've tried the 'ignoring it' thing and it didn't work. I haven't left her to whine recently because, like you say, it didn't achieve anything and made her miserable and me feel like the worst mother in the world. But everyone tells you to ignore them you know and so you think you're doing the right thing.
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thanks for your advice though, she is my baby girl, I love her to bits but I think she is a stubborn as me really LOL
 
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I've ignored her for HOURS and she won't quit.

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A 10 month old puppy tied up in a stable for HOURS with no attention and no company? Sorry but I'd do a fair bit of whining myself!
 
Yep agreed, if you read on you'll find an explanation tho. And she was in the tack room and could see out onto the yard, not a stable!

Everything I've ever read said to ignore them when they whine and they will quit. So I tried it but she didn't quit, even after 2 or 3 hours...
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I would have untied her once the lesson had finished and I was back on the yard but I didn't want to reward the whining... my bad I know but I'm sure you can see what I was trying to do in order to break the whining habit. Didn't work tho so I don't bother anymore, she gets tied up for lessons with my older dog then untied afterwards. No more whining on the yard but doesn't help the whining at night thing.
 
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Doubt very much it's boredom.

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I would say that a 10mth old puppy tied up in a tack room and ignored for hours definitely IS bored!!!

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No I was talking about bed-time boredom...
 
Whining at night? - Then I'd definitely go along with the suggestion of covering the crate up. Have you tried a radio played at low volume - something soothing to help settle?
Also, a Dap diffuser can sometimes work in helping settle.
Persevere with the ignoring though, as frustrating as it is!
 
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No I was talking about bed-time boredom...

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Ah yes, well I agree, its not boredom at night- it attention seeking or seperation stress.
 
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