Person selling my horse wants to hunt her??

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So, after a long consideration process I have decided to sell my little TB. I just can't put up with the jogging and sideways dancing on every ride. Its been a long time coming, as I knew she wasn't for me almost the day after she arrived. I am more of the pootling around, she is more of the racing mind. I've had a girl riding her for a month or so. She's a good rider and so I asked her if she would like to sell her for me. I have asked for around half of a low estimate on what I believe she is worth, so I would say its a good deal for the rider who isn't working at the moment and has the time. I continue to pay for all bills, feed, shoes, rent, everything.

She's now planning to do all sorts, some of which I agree with some I don't. I heard from someone else yesterday she is planning to take her cubbing ! I have said no. Its causing a little friction at the yard as the girl selling her is very good pals with my YO.

Oh, I've put a time limit on the sale,and I have her on Horses for homes for free as the home really is the most important part for me.

Am I being unreasonable ?

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shmoo said:
So, after a long consideration process I have decided to sell my little TB. I just can't put up with the jogging and sideways dancing on every ride. Its been a long time coming, as I knew she wasn't for me almost the day after she arrived. I am more of the pootling around, she is more of the racing mind. I've had a girl riding her for a month or so. She's a good rider and so I asked her if she would like to sell her for me. I have asked for around half of a low estimate on what I believe she is worth, so I would say its a good deal for the rider who isn't working at the moment and has the time. I continue to pay for all bills, feed, shoes, rent, everything.

She's now planning to do all sorts, some of which I agree with some I don't. I heard from someone else yesterday she is planning to take her cubbing ! I have said no. Its causing a little friction at the yard as the girl selling her is very good pals with my YO.

Oh, I've put a time limit on the sale,and I have her on Horses for homes for free as the home really is the most important part for me.

Am I being unreasonable ?

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Nope. It's still your horse.

Does sound like there might have been a slight communication breakdown, tho, and the exact limits and requests you have for the girl need to be set down more clearly.
 
It's impossible to say if you are being unreasonable.

The rider may have assessed this horse and decided the horse might be best suited to a hunting home. In which case taking it out cubbing would seem to be the most logical step!

Utimately though, your horse and your decision. It doesn't sound like you and the rider/seller are on the same page with regards to getting this horse sold though so I think first step is an open honest conversation.
 
What's wrong with taking her cubbing? It tends to be a glorified hack with quite a bit of standing around....IMO it can help an inpatient, fizzy horse because they learn manners. It also helps when selling a horse because you can tell a potential owner how they are with hounds.

I'm sorry OP but from what I'm seeing you are being a touch unreasonable. This horse doesn't sound like its suited to a quiet hacking home so it needs a job! It needs to have experience in stuff that will make the potential buyer see past the joggy hacking etc. it won't get this experience if you don't let it get out & see the world.

Instead of a straight 'No' to this girl I think you need to have a conversation with her about what her aims are with these outings & what your reservations are about them.
You might be able to meet a compromise that will help the horse in the long run.
 
Well you're not wrong because it's your horse but I don't understand why you would close that route to finding her a home autumn hunting will get her seen by different people and increase the chances of her finding a home she may love hunting and find a person for whom her temperament to an advantage not a disadvantage.
The horse is not a quiet hack so why prevent her being seen by a whole group of people need a horse suitable for a more exciting job.
I just don't understand why you would do that.
 
At the end of the day she's your horse so you can do as you wish and this other girl needs to respect that, to me it looks like she's got a little carried away and thinks of her as her own. She may just be "showing off" at the yard and telling people her grand plans and may have no intention of doing them, or she may be planning to do them. A sit down chat is definitely the best way forward. Cubbing may just be a glorified hack but I wouldn't want to be risking a fizzy horse in that environment if they are for sale, free or not. New owners can decide on what to do with her.

Can this girl not take her on permanently or on loan?
 
If this person is a competent jockey, they know what they're doing and you trust their judgement - I also don't see the problem. It's cubbing, not hunting.
 
It's your horse so it's up to you, but it will be a feather in the horse's cap if she goes cubbing a few times. It will be good for her to see hounds.

It sounds to me like you don't really trust the person selling the horse for you, which is the problem IMHO, not the fact she wants to take her cubbing. I think you either need to trust her and let her do what she thinks is right, or find someone else to sell the horse for you if you can't trust her to do the right thing by your horse.
 
chestnut cob said:
It's your horse so it's up to you, but it will be a feather in the horse's cap if she goes cubbing a few times. It will be good for her to see hounds.

It sounds to me like you don't really trust the person selling the horse for you, which is the problem IMHO, not the fact she wants to take her cubbing. I think you either need to trust her and let her do what she thinks is right, or find someone else to sell the horse for you if you can't trust her to do the right thing by your horse.
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Sorry, I'm not quite sure of the agreement you have with the girl who will be selling your horse? Could you clarify it please? Does she keep anything over and above what you want for the horse if she manages to sell her for more?

If that's the case, also advertising her free of charge isn't particularly fair (although I understand a good home is more important to you) as she could put a lot of work in and end up with nothing? Apologies if I've misread it.

As far as the cubbing goes, in one way I don't think you're being unreasonable as she's your horse so you have the final say, but if she's doing it to improve your mare and her chances of a suitable home it seems daft not to let her go.

It sounds to me like you both need to sit down and talk about the sort of buyer you're looking for and how to go about preparing your mare to find that buyer - whether this is taking her jumping, xc schooling, improving flatwork or going cubbing.
 
I've never been either cubbing or hunting, where I grew up with my ponies you had to travel a long way and we didn't have any transport. So I don't know anything about it TBH. I'm more worried really as when I looked at my insurance to up the cover the premium went off the richter scale so it's clearly more potentially dangerous than a hack.

She is already a proven hunter, having been in a hunting yard for a number of years before falling on hard times - then sorely neglected. Maybe it would be the right home for her. She loves fast work, I'm just a born worrier...

If it was your horse.. Would you ?
 
shmoo said:
I've never been either cubbing or hunting, where I grew up with my ponies you had to travel a long way and we didn't have any transport. So I don't know anything about it TBH. I'm more worried really as when I looked at my insurance to up the cover the premium went off the richter scale so it's clearly more potentially dangerous than a hack.

She is already a proven hunter, having been in a hunting yard for a number of years before falling on hard times - then sorely neglected. Maybe it would be the right home for her. She loves fast work, I'm just a born worrier...

If it was your horse.. Would you ?
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Yes I would she's hunted in the past I would increase the cover and get her seen you are much more likely to sell to a hunting home if people see her out .
Hunted in the past means nothing to hunting people they will want to see the horse out .
Autumn hunting is not the hard work of hunting proper in your position I would take the risk you need to find the horse a home.
However i give this advice assuming you are selling a sound horse with no health issues .
 
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but from the your posts I think you and the rider are maybe at cross purposes.

Maybe, given the horse's past, you feel a bit guilty and sad for moving her on, so you just want to prioritise a good home. Perfectly understandable.

The girl - if I'm right - will get a cut of profits and has been asked to ride her and sell on, so she's giving the horse as many feathers in its cap as possible to get the best price. Also perfectly understandable.

Giving a horse away for free /lower than its market value doesn't guarantee the best home. Better, imo, to give it the best chance at the right - most suitable - home and it sounds like this is a horse that needs to work.

You'll need to check your insurance cover anyway to make sure it applies while this girl is riding.

I think it's worth a conversation with her to ask her what sort of home she would aim the horse at and go from there.
 
Hello Goldenstar, She doesn't have any health issues as far as I know, she's a little stiff despite the amount of glucosamine and linseed oils she's on but loosens up after a good walk up the field - and / or 10 mins of walking out. BTW she's 15, which is probably why the insurance quote was more than double.

Hopefully I'll see rider at yard tonight when up to do my other one, and be able to talk. I don't know her very well, although she clicks with my mare better than I ever have and ever will. So oddly she probably does know her well enough to make the judgement call.

Its a toughie.
 
Your horse, your rules. No explanations or justifications, a simple no, is fine.
You pay the bills, you own the horse. If the horse gets injured, you're the one left paying out for treatment and your plans for sale put off.

Just decide what you're happy with and stick to it. Your horse is the one you are concerned with, not providing free entertainment for the rider.

FWIW, I've mananged to sell a few very easily that have never been near a hunt. It hasn't exactly been a handicap. Not everyone sees hunting as a positive. Personally, although I'd consider a horse lightly hunted as part of its early education, I wouldn't buy a hunter that's been hammered around the countryside regardless of the ground.
 
bex1984 said:
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but from the your posts I think you and the rider are maybe at cross purposes.

Maybe, given the horse's past, you feel a bit guilty and sad for moving her on, so you just want to prioritise a good home. Perfectly understandable.


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Exactly this. I feel like I've failed.
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dogatemysalad said:
Your horse, your rules. No explanations or justifications, a simple no, is fine.
You pay the bills, you own the horse. If the horse gets injured, you're the one left paying out for treatment and your plans for sale put off.
Just decide what you're happy with and stick to it. Your horse is the one you are concerned with, not providing free entertainment for the rider.

FWIW, I've mananged to sell a few very easily that have never been near a hunt. It hasn't exactly been a handicap. Not everyone sees hunting as a positive. Personally, although I'd consider a horse lightly hunted as part of its early education, I wouldn't buy a hunter that's been hammered around the countryside regardless of the ground.
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And this... I'm nearly in tears now.
 
annagain said:
Sorry, I'm not quite sure of the agreement you have with the girl who will be selling your horse? Could you clarify it please? Does she keep anything over and above what you want for the horse if she manages to sell her for more?

If that's the case, also advertising her free of charge isn't particularly fair (although I understand a good home is more important to you) as she could put a lot of work in and end up with nothing? Apologies if I've misread it.

As far as the cubbing goes, in one way I don't think you're being unreasonable as she's your horse so you have the final say, but if she's doing it to improve your mare and her chances of a suitable home it seems daft not to let her go.

It sounds to me like you both need to sit down and talk about the sort of buyer you're looking for and how to go about preparing your mare to find that buyer - whether this is taking her jumping, xc schooling, improving flatwork or going cubbing.
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This! I would be pretty peeved if I put the work in to help you sell your horse and then you gave her away for free. Also personally I always worry about the types of home a "free to good home" horse ends up in as I've seen all sorts of unsuitables take on a horse because it's free and then find it's too much for them either financially or experience-wise. Much better to sell for a nominal price or put on full loan and properly vet the new owner, and even that won't 100% guarantee it's a good home but at least if she's on loan you can always take her back if you need to.
 
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Don't cry it's just a question of working through the best way to place the horse in a new home .
At 15 and not a easy hack this may take a bit of thinking through if the horse goes to the hounds it should be with the view of trying to place it with a hunting home at that age that may be difficult .
Why don't you meet the rider for a coffee and have a serious talk about what job you think the horse should be marketed into.
 
shmoo said:
bex1984 said:
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but from the your posts I think you and the rider are maybe at cross purposes.

Maybe, given the horse's past, you feel a bit guilty and sad for moving her on, so you just want to prioritise a good home. Perfectly understandable.


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Exactly this. I feel like I've failed.
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Don't be silly, you haven't failed.
Horses are like men - some you gel with, some you don't.

It's actually kinder and fairer on the horse to put them in a home whereby their strengths and talents are compatible with their owner/rider. There is no point in you and the horse getting frustrated and miserable with each other.
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Goldenstar said:
Why don't you meet the rider for a coffee and have a serious talk about what job you think the horse should be marketed into.
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Absolutely.

Don't get upset. think positive. You have a good rider with time to work with your horse. You are enabling your horse to have the best chance of finding a good home. What you can do, is to take some really good photo's and write an upbeat advert describing her attributes. Although she wasn't right for you, she will be right for someone else.
I wouldn't under price her or offer her for free. You may get numpties or dealers pretending to be private buyers after a cheap horse. Keep your wits about you and believe in what your horse can offer to the right person.
 
glamourpuss said:
What's wrong with taking her cubbing? It tends to be a glorified hack with quite a bit of standing around....IMO it can help an inpatient, fizzy horse because they learn manners. It also helps when selling a horse because you can tell a potential owner how they are with hounds.

I'm sorry OP but from what I'm seeing you are being a touch unreasonable. This horse doesn't sound like its suited to a quiet hacking home so it needs a job! It needs to have experience in stuff that will make the potential buyer see past the joggy hacking etc. it won't get this experience if you don't let it get out & see the world.

Instead of a straight 'No' to this girl I think you need to have a conversation with her about what her aims are with these outings & what your reservations are about them.
You might be able to meet a compromise that will help the horse in the long run.
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I agree, the girl is asking to take her clubbing first, obs means she's taking it slowly and not just hunting straight away.
 
If your insurance is going to take a hike, and you're not prepared to pay the additional premiums, then clearly she has her answer. No.
 
If this horse at 15 is starting to get stiff then hunting the horse will do it no good. It just needs a nice new owner who is happy with it's temprement and finds the horse easy to ride at a nice gentle pace.
 
ihatework said:
shmoo said:
Don't be silly, you haven't failed.
Horses are like men - some you gel with, some you don't.

It's actually kinder and fairer on the horse to put them in a home whereby their strengths and talents are compatible with their owner/rider. There is no point in you and the horse getting frustrated and miserable with each other.
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Absolutely agree with this IHW.

amymay said:
If your insurance is going to take a hike, and you're not prepared to pay the additional premiums, then clearly she has her answer. No.
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Agreed.
However if there is a deal going on and you're happy to discuss, perhaps the increased premium costs could be removed from the sale price before her cut is given? If it improves the sale price and gets a more suitable home she will still get a better cut for the time put in and you will be happier that the horse is going to do something they enjoy.

I'd look at what you both believe the horse is capable of doing, what you think the horse is suited to and what you do not want the rider/horse doing while up for sale. Get ground rules established.
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