lassiesuca
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http://equineink.com/2008/07/18/what-is-a-rotational-fall-and-how-can-they-be-prevented/
Just out of interest re. the rotational falls;
Just out of interest re. the rotational falls;
petition to make the Grand National safer
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Wagtail
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Oh would it now? Stange that I had one then. Horse took off. Was short on landing (landed front leg still inside ditch) and flipped over. Full rotation. And that was my first hand experience. I was lucky she didn't land on top of me. And I'm not talking the usual taking a ditch like you do out hacking orhunting. This was a cross country course and the ditch was taken at a right angle two strides from a bear trap. Now I KNOW you are full of hot air. Absolutely no point in arguing with you.
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Caledonia
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I knew two riders who have died in them so I am fully aware what one is, and people pretending they've had one in a pathetic attempt to point score is disgusting.
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Caledonia
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Oh would it now? Stange that I had one then. Horse took off. Was short on landing (landed front leg still inside ditch) and flipped over. Full rotation. And that was my first hand experience. I was lucky she didn't land on top of me. And I'm not talking the usual taking a ditch like you do out hacking orhunting. This was a cross country course and the ditch was taken at a right angle two strides from a bear trap. Now I KNOW you are full of hot air. Absolutely no point in arguing with you.
A rotational occurs over an obstacle, with height. You fell on the lip of a ditch.
Wagtail
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OMG, you really are sinking low now. That's it. You have lost all credibility for me. What a piece of work. Shame.
lassiesuca
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Wagtail
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As I said. You have lost credibility. Enjoy debating with others.
lassiesuca
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Oh... I doubt Wagtail would lie about something like that; Caledonia, I don't think you can judge without being their first hand whether or not she had a rotational fall...
Munchkin
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Wagtail - I'm not sure it's Caledonia who has lost credibility here!
You can clearly see Ornais on the video replay - there was no horse in his way. He didn't 'jump' for some reason and as he went over he was rigid. It certainly looked like something was wrong before he hit the ground. I'm not sure what could have been done to avoid that.
You can clearly see Ornais on the video replay - there was no horse in his way. He didn't 'jump' for some reason and as he went over he was rigid. It certainly looked like something was wrong before he hit the ground. I'm not sure what could have been done to avoid that.
Wagtail
Horse servant
Huh? I didn't say I had one?
Using friend's deaths to try to score points and calling others liars as well as other insults. I won't waste any more time on such an idiot.
lassiesuca
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Wagtail
Horse servant
Thanks, Munchkin. I won't watch the video. I have no interest in watching horses die. I am relying on others telling me, and thanks for clarifying. All that could be found on google was that he broke his neck in the fall.
Wagtail
Horse servant
, you don't need to justify yourself to anyone! x
No, but I like people to know the reason that I stop responding to them.
Elf On A Shelf
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Pointless petition and by my computer 53 pages of pointless posts 
DragonSlayer
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Pointless petition and by my computer 53 pages of pointless posts
I changed my settings ages ago, and only have 13 pages!
Don't ask me though, how I did it....forgotten!
teagreen
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Interestingly, anyone watching the 7.15 at Southwell just now will have seen a horse go tearing down towards the first hurdle in the middle of the pack, only to jam the breaks on and send his jockey flying over his head, then stand looking at him as if to say "Nah, you go first"
Wonder why he did that
Wonder why he did that
Elf On A Shelf
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Interestingly, anyone watching the 7.15 at Southwell just now will have seen a horse go tearing down towards the first hurdle in the middle of the pack, only to jam the breaks on and send his jockey flying over his head, then stand looking at him as if to say "Nah, you go first"
Wonder why he did that
I love it when horses make total fools out of you! It just proves that if they don't want to do it they won't! Good on the wee beastie I say!
teagreen
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I love it when horses make total fools out of you! It just proves that if they don't want to do it they won't! Good on the wee beastie I say!
I can't remember exactly what his form is, but I'm sure Matt Chapman said he'd refused more than once before. Perhaps some of the people on this thread should do a study on him!
Elf On A Shelf
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Just looked her up - she is called Granny Kanzi - great name! She had only raced in 5 point to points before that with the form reading PPR-PR. Me's thinks she isn't the keenest horse on the planet for racing!
nuttynugget
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Wow!!!!
I think this thread has gotten out of hand? lol
Back to the question in hand, I have signed the petition. I was asked by a friend which horse I put money on which I replied none, I was then asked "why? I thought you liked horses??" which I replied "yes- thats why I don't support the grand national or racing"
In fact I would be happier if this petition was to ban racing.. poor horses!!!
I think this thread has gotten out of hand? lol
Back to the question in hand, I have signed the petition. I was asked by a friend which horse I put money on which I replied none, I was then asked "why? I thought you liked horses??" which I replied "yes- thats why I don't support the grand national or racing"
In fact I would be happier if this petition was to ban racing.. poor horses!!!
teagreen
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So if racing was banned, what would you do with all the horses?
Elf On A Shelf
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Well if your going to ban racing then you had better ban eventing, show jumping, endurance, showing, dressage, polo, hacking, turning your horse out in the field, walking it out in hand.
In fact just put it in a padded cell where it can merrily bounce off the walls all day doing itself no damage what so ever!
Every single thing that you do with your horse has a degree of danger to it. How many times recently have we seen reports on horses killed whilst out hacking by being hit by cars? How many horses have slipped in the field and broke a leg? You can never make anything totally and utterly safe, all you can do is minimilise the risks.
In fact just put it in a padded cell where it can merrily bounce off the walls all day doing itself no damage what so ever!
Every single thing that you do with your horse has a degree of danger to it. How many times recently have we seen reports on horses killed whilst out hacking by being hit by cars? How many horses have slipped in the field and broke a leg? You can never make anything totally and utterly safe, all you can do is minimilise the risks.
teagreen
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I know it wouldn't be her decision, but I'm asking what she thinks would happen with them. Does she have any good ideas? Because you're right - they would be shot. People who want racing banned seem to gloss over this fact.
Can you imagine the pictures in the Daily Mail then?
Caledonia
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TBH, I am so glad i'm going into the latter half of my life, becuase i truely do not want to see WTF the Horse World will be like in 50 years time if some of the half-wits on here are the future.....it makes me really, really sad.
Couldn't agree more with this.
nuttynugget
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LOL!!!!!!!! you lot were quick..
If racing was banned then there would be no need to breed as many TBs right? How many TBs born each year do you think are put down before they reach 5? and how many more are surplus to requirement once theyve been retired from racing?
If racing was banned then there would be no need to breed as many TBs right? How many TBs born each year do you think are put down before they reach 5? and how many more are surplus to requirement once theyve been retired from racing?
MrsMozartletoe
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Good gawd, is this still going?!
Don't you lot get bored?
Or is it just me that's bored tonight...
Don't you lot get bored?
Or is it just me that's bored tonight...
teagreen
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How many do you think are currently on the go? From foals to broodmares. You'd be ok with them all being shot if racing was banned tomorrow? A handful would find homes, a welfare issue would ensue with many of them placed inappropriately.
lassiesuca
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I agree with you; however I think to a certain extent it's one of those cyclical things, I mean, a lot of us are slightly opposed to racing as it kills horses; however if we ban it; more horses will get shot, considering the debt our country is in. So it's a tough one to call!
I think some of the responses has made me think on that.
nuttynugget
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Unfortunately when it comes to horse welfare our countries debt means nothing to me..
I'm not just opposed to racing because it kills horses I think it is a cruel sport. If any of you had the opportunity would you race your own horse? I definitely wouldn't risk it.
Why are people fore racing? I don't understand
I'm not just opposed to racing because it kills horses I think it is a cruel sport. If any of you had the opportunity would you race your own horse? I definitely wouldn't risk it.
Why are people fore racing? I don't understand
teagreen
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If I could be a horse, I'd be a racehorse. They live wonderful lives compared to so many equines in Britain.
You didn't answer my question - what do you suggest we do with all the horses who'd not have a job if racing was banned tomorrow? Would you be happy with tens of thousands of horses being shot?
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