Photosensitivity / pastern dermatitis

See I thought it was it might be mites because it all started after I rode on the stubble, and he still seems like his rubbing parts of his mane so maybe it is that.

I'm gonna ring the vet tomorrow.
 
See I thought it was it might be mites because it all started after I rode on the stubble, and he still seems like his rubbing parts of his mane so maybe it is that.

I'm gonna ring the vet tomorrow.

Yes l, I forgot - they gave mine a detomax injection in case it was mites. It wasn't but worth a try.
 
I went through the exact same thing with my mare's white stocking (you can just about see the stocking on the photo in my avatar) this year. Vet diagnosed leukocyte vasculitis and prescribed oral steroids for a fortnight, it was a kind of paste which I added to her feed, and steroid cream. It's looking much better at the moment but even a day of winter sun makes it more sensitive to the touch.
 
I have looked at the ingredients in filtabac its mainly cetramide and zinc oxide, savlon has cetramide in it and you can buy zinc oxide cream or spray I currently have both that I use on the horses.

So I'm going to try both at the same time and see if it has any effect.
I think the filtabac is also a sun block, which is kind of the point if it is photosensitivity that you're dealing with. Expensive though
 
I think the filtabac is also a sun block, which is kind of the point if it is photosensitivity that you're dealing with. Expensive though
Yeah maybe but my horse didn't have this in summer he got it in late September when it was dewy grass so I thought that what triggered it.

But I will look into mites because I'm not totally convinced it could have been harvest mite because it coincided with me riding on stubble.
 
One of mine gets this but only on his 3 white socks. It's not mud fever because he only gets it in the summer. He has Cushings so I don't know if its because he's more susceptible to things than my others. If he lets me, I use sudocram. He's retired and quite feral so not always cooperative!
 
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Mine used to get this on his white socks, always June or July. He also got on his white patches (blanket spot appaloosa) one March and may be a coincidence but after battling with it for a long time I tried feeding Milk Thistle and it started to clear immediately, like magic. I only stopped feeding it the last summer he was with me as my sister and I had decided it would be the last summer for our two boys. That June it came back badly on his hind legs and in fact brought forward our decision.
 
A mare i used to own had this in the summer and after months of steroids and flamazine (and a biopsy which seemed to aggravate and spread it) it never cleared up, i tried Silver whinnies and it cleared it completely in 4 weeks - as my vet recommended them i was able to claim part of the cost for them on my insurance
 
A mare i used to own had this in the summer and after months of steroids and flamazine (and a biopsy which seemed to aggravate and spread it) it never cleared up, i tried Silver whinnies and it cleared it completely in 4 weeks - as my vet recommended them i was able to claim part of the cost for them on my insurance
I was looking at silver whinnies a few days ago.
 
need silver whinnies or equi-med stable wraps.

one of mine started up with the tiniest patch and whilst barrier cream (i use cetraben) help, the wraps work far better and are less messy.

steroids, flamazine etc only made a small improvement.
 
Yeah maybe but my horse didn't have this in summer he got it in late September when it was dewy grass so I thought that what triggered it.

But I will look into mites because I'm not totally convinced it could have been harvest mite because it coincided with me riding on stubble.
Mine started in November as we changed to winter balancer and then the following November, some idiot climbed our newly erected fencing to give her a mince-pie. That could have been disastrous, she caught the chest buckle of her rug on the inner electric fence and dragged it off the wooden posts. Fortunately apart from some bent offsets there was no real harm done. She had a bit of burned feather, which didn't need treatment but a couple of days later her skin problem broke out again.
 
Mine started in November as we changed to winter balancer and then the following November, some idiot climbed our newly erected fencing to give her a mince-pie. That could have been disastrous, she caught the chest buckle of her rug on the inner electric fence and dragged it off the wooden posts. Fortunately apart from some bent offsets there was no real harm done. She had a bit of burned feather, which didn't need treatment but a couple of days later her skin problem broke out again.
Thats weird because at the start of the summer Arabi did exactly the same with my fence, his trigger clip at the front wasn't closing properly I obviously missed it that night and he got it caught on the fence and broke the wooden posts and the fence was on the floor.

He seemed fine from it had a slight graze on the top of his back leg and I had the physio out just incase he pulled himself and he was no worse than usual.
 
The equi med stable wraps are great. They really helped fig who was cannon crud / lymphangitis prone. I have them on Rooni now *just in case*.
I've just been looking at these, well the pastern wraps, following the recommendation above. They look easy to put on and don't seem to have rubbing seams (the UV boots I tried before rubbed in the crease between heels and pastern). Not sure they would be suitable for turn out though - the website isn't very informative.
 
I've just been looking at these, well the pastern wraps, following the recommendation above. They look easy to put on and don't seem to have rubbing seams (the UV boots I tried before rubbed in the crease between heels and pastern). Not sure they would be suitable for turn out though - the website isn't very informative.
They’re not for turn out, they’re stable wraps. They don’t rub. Even when your horse kindly removes the bottom strap.

For turn out if it’s a photo sensitivity issue there are turn out wraps for them but I’d need to have a google. Have you tried filtabac cream for turnout without any boots?
 
They’re not for turn out, they’re stable wraps. They don’t rub. Even when your horse kindly removes the bottom strap.

For turn out if it’s a photo sensitivity issue there are turn out wraps for them but I’d need to have a google. Have you tried filtabac cream for turnout without any boots?
Yes that is where I got to. Vet advised to use sunblock rather than boots since the boots were rubbing and I saw Filtabac recommended on here. Sadly you don't seem to be able to get it any longer. I have an arsenal of Lincoln sunblock, silver ointment and the vets own antibiotic and steroid cream.

It would help if I knew what was really causing the issue. Being on just white legs points to photosensitivity, but why would it start in August and not earlier in the year? And if it is photosensitivity why do I need antibiotic treatments? It's very confusing.

Also, forgot to mention before, but he is currently on 40 antihistamines daily (vet advice) because of his itchiness. His legs have cleared up (for now) but is that the antihistamines, a coincidence or just a temporary remission? Who knows! When the specialist skin vet comes at the end of the month to do the allergy testing I'm going to pick his brains.
 
Yes that is where I got to. Vet advised to use sunblock rather than boots since the boots were rubbing and I saw Filtabac recommended on here. Sadly you don't seem to be able to get it any longer. I have an arsenal of Lincoln sunblock, silver ointment and the vets own antibiotic and steroid cream.

It would help if I knew what was really causing the issue. Being on just white legs points to photosensitivity, but why would it start in August and not earlier in the year? And if it is photosensitivity why do I need antibiotic treatments? It's very confusing.

Also, forgot to mention before, but he is currently on 40 antihistamines daily (vet advice) because of his itchiness. His legs have cleared up (for now) but is that the antihistamines, a coincidence or just a temporary remission? Who knows! When the specialist skin vet comes at the end of the month to do the allergy testing I'm going to pick his brains.
That’s irritating re the filtabac I wonder why it’s out of stock everywhere. It might be bacterial but aggravated by sunlight. I had psoriasis on my face earlier this year and I honestly wanted to claw my skin off. Typically a cream I was using for something else was the worst thing for that so 🙂🙃
 
Hi all,

One of mine (TBxWB bay mare, white socks) presented with what I initially thought was a patch of mud fever on the outside of one pastern earlier in the year. The vet had a look and diagnosed UV sensitivity, and gave me steroid cream to clear it up.

For the last 3-4 months, as instructed, I’ve been keeping the area clipped tight and scab free, and applying the steroid cream twice daily, and the patch has reduced to something that is basically like a large ‘C’ shape, about an inch or so. However, it isn’t getting any better than this and hasn’t changed in the last month or so.

Even leaving it for a day or so will start the scabbing / oozing process and irritate the skin around the ‘C’.

The vet saw her again a couple of weeks back and mentioned it can take months and months to clear it, and gave me another tube of steroid cream, but I wondered if any of you had any experience or advice in clearing it up more quickly? He didn’t seem inclined to run any liver function tests.

Diet-wise she has Alfa A, Baileys Ease&Excel, Topspec Lite balancer, biotin and a joint supplement and ad lib hay, and she’s turned out with my other 3, all of whom are on pretty much the same routine and none of which have anything similar. Other than this issues, she’s a healthy horse who maintains her weight with a nice shiny coat - the only thing of note may be the fact she doesn’t grow good feet (thin walls and soles), but which have improved a lot in the last 3 years.

The area is protected from the sun when she’s turned out with fluffy-topped over reach boots, which are clean and dry, but any advice or experience you might have would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance :)
I have a horse that has had a bout most of the summer but eventually got on top of it by lots of sudocream slathered on daily and working it in a bit. I don’t shave as don’t think it helps as removes natural hair protection. It was both hinds which are white socks. I’ve had horse 16 years and he’s had mild mud fever before a couple of year but never in summer.
 
I wondered about this but it’s such a localised reaction if it is!
I was just coming to suggest a food allergy. My old share horse had a sugar intolerance. The only sign was itchy scabby back legs. We struggled with it for years and it always followed a pattern - flared up in the autumn, remained at a certain level all winter, went mad in the spring and died down in the summer. We tried all sorts of creams and potions and had skin scrapes and blood tests done but could never get to the bottom of it. One autumn he'd been on box rest and he was porky so we didn't start feeding him and we noticed his rash didn't flare up.

I suddenly realised it was food related. I read up and was convinced it was alfalfa. We decided to test the theory by starting him off on just grass chaff for a week - no reaction. We then added some bog standard cool mix for a week - bit of a reaction but not awful. The ingredients listed alfalfa so I was convinced we'd found the culprit. Added some Alfa-A for another week, no reaction - back to the drawing board. Added some molassed sugar beet and his legs went mad within about 6 hours. It obvious with hindsight - it would start when we started winter feeding, remain at that level all winter, go mad in spring when there was lots of sugar in the grass as well as the sugar in his feed and would stop in summer when he wasn't fed and the sugar in the grass had stabilised - but like you, we never thought a food intolerance could cause such a localised reaction. Really careful feeding meant we could keep it at bay most of the time but it still flared up in spring, bringing him in off the grass for a few hours a day helped and the positive was that he was an early warning system for the laminitics. As soon as M got his rash we knew we had to get them off the grass!

An exclusion diet (take him off everything except grass / hay) for a few weeks is a good way of checking whether it's food related. If it improves, you know it is. Then reintroduce things one at a time with enough time for a reaction to occur to identify what it causing it. You'll know within a few days whether it's the problem or not. Identifying exactly which food takes a bit of time but is far cheaper than loads of tests.
 
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I was just coming to suggest a food allergy. My old share horse had a sugar intolerance. The only sign was itchy scabby back legs. We struggled with it for years and it always followed a pattern - flared up in the autumn, remained at a certain level all winter, went mad in the spring and died down in the summer. We tried all sorts of creams and potions and had skin scrapes and blood tests done but could never get to the bottom of it. One autumn he'd been on box rest and he was porky so we didn't start feeding him and we noticed his rash didn't flare up.

I suddenly realised it was food related. I read up and was convinced it was alfalfa. We decided to test the theory by starting him off on just grass chaff for a week - no reaction. We then added some bog standard cool mix for a week - bit of a reaction but not awful. The ingredients listed alfalfa so I was convinced we'd found the culprit. Added some Alfa-A for another week, no reaction - back to the drawing board. Added some molassed sugar beet and his legs went mad within about 6 hours. It obvious with hindsight - it would start when we started winter feeding, remain at that level all winter, go mad in spring when there was lots of sugar in the grass as well as the sugar in his feed and would stop in summer when he wasn't fed and the sugar in the grass had stabilised - but like you, we never thought a food intolerance could cause such a localised reaction. Really careful feeding meant we could keep it at bay most of the time but it still flared up in spring, bringing him in off the grass for a few hours a day helped and the positive was that he was an early warning system for the laminitics. As soon as M got his rash we knew we had to get them off the grass!

An exclusion diet (take him off everything except grass / hay) for a few weeks is a good way of checking whether it's food related. If it improves, you know it is. Then reintroduce things one at a time with enough time for a reaction to occur to identify what it causing it. You'll know within a few days whether it's the problem or not. Identifying exactly which food takes a bit of time but is far cheaper than loads of tests.
Really interesting, thanks. I removed alfalfa too (for his general itchiness rather than his legs) but it made no difference. Both years it started in August and we've been scratching our heads to think of what could be happening in August to cause it. Physio suggested buttercups, but we don't have them. No change in what I feed him either. The allergy test is going to cost about £300 and if they find out what it is and he needs treatment (something about blood, antibodies and injecting small amounts of the allergen back in) it will be about £200 per year for a monthly injection that I administer myself. I worked out that the antihistamine tablets he's on come to £1.08 per day so IF the test results in finding a cure I won't be out of pocket.
 
Really interesting, thanks. I removed alfalfa too (for his general itchiness rather than his legs) but it made no difference. Both years it started in August and we've been scratching our heads to think of what could be happening in August to cause it. Physio suggested buttercups, but we don't have them. No change in what I feed him either. The allergy test is going to cost about £300 and if they find out what it is and he needs treatment (something about blood, antibodies and injecting small amounts of the allergen back in) it will be about £200 per year for a monthly injection that I administer myself. I worked out that the antihistamine tablets he's on come to £1.08 per day so IF the test results in finding a cure I won't be out of pocket.
Is that the Arturvetrin injection? We did it with our oldie for sweet itch and a few other allergies and it fixed her completely. They say if you don't get results in a few months, it's not going to work. I gave the injections for a full year, then just through the midgey period for another couple of years while I slowly tapered off, then I stopped altogether. It was worth it for her, and I would probably do it again, although complete cures are in the minority.
 
Is that the Arturvetrin injection? We did it with our oldie for sweet itch and a few other allergies and it fixed her completely. They say if you don't get results in a few months, it's not going to work. I gave the injections for a full year, then just through the midgey period for another couple of years while I slowly tapered off, then I stopped altogether. It was worth it for her, and I would probably do it again, although complete cures are in the minority.
Oh that's interesting. I don't know much about it to be honest. The vet that came out to his legs talked to me about it but she didn't have the detailed knowledge that this specialist vet has. He only does one day a month so I've had quite a wait.
 
Oh that's interesting. I don't know much about it to be honest. The vet that came out to his legs talked to me about it but she didn't have the detailed knowledge that this specialist vet has. He only does one day a month so I've had quite a wait.
My small animal vet doesn't offer it anymore. They'll do it on request, but they haven't had the results they'd like in order to keep it as an option generally. Horse vet was a bit more positive, but did say it's only about 75% successful, and that's just for some positive effect, not a complete cure. It's like anything though, what works for some, won't work for others and there isn't much risk in trying - the main thing being the cost. If it does work, then happy horse, happy owner and fewer ongoing costs from chasing the problem.
 
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