Phrases that get up your nose?

I'm American, and have always used the word 'lunge.' I never saw it spelled longe until I moved to the UK.

I don't particularly care for the American Western turn of phrase in respect of horses, their tack, and their colo(u)rs. The US is vast, and what might be very familiar on the East Coast (where I was born), may seem quite foreign to someone in the Midwest or Southwest, and vice versa. I lived in Hawaii for almost 20 years before coming to the UK. There's a very defined paniolo (cowboy) culture in Hawaii, especially on the Big Island, where cattle ranches dot the slopes of Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa. Yet, at the base of the Ko'olau Mountains, not far from Honolulu, on O'ahu, there are traditional English riding schools and events. Going north on the eastern slopes of the Ko'olaus, there are cattle ranches, as well. It's a very mixed bag, with many different words to describe common equine related subjects...a microcosm of the continental mainland.
 
TarrSteps said:
'Jog' and 'lope' are specific gaits, too, not synonyms for trot and canter. It's actually more accurate if used correctly.
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Thank you for pointing that out but I think I have known that since 1979 or should do after my BHS Training

I also not only ride western but compete western too for the past 8 years and know all the gaits and perform them too. As well as the Direct bend snake trail and indirect bend snake trail and more.
 
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TarrSteps said:
'Jog' and 'lope' are specific gaits, too, not synonyms for trot and canter. It's actually more accurate if used correctly.
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That's interesting. What order do the limbs move in? I've always seen it has a particular pace/speed within a gait, or performance of a gait rather than a separate gait. Rather like passage is a type of trot, it's still trot as the limbs move in diagonal pairs.
 
Nope, I call all yellow things with black points dun. When I lived in the States I heard some being called "lineback duns", which was graceful, but I think buckskins should remain in the good ol' US of A (besides, it's nice to have something to argue with Faracat about).
 
Faracat said:
Well, we could round them all up and ship them over! :p We could even fill the ship with grullos for the return journey.
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Yeah, that's true - they have some lovely "primitive" colours over there that were becoming quite rare over here (until the Spanish horse breeders saw an opportunity and started emphasising them again). I suppose it's just a sign of becoming an old grump (becoming? I hear you say.......), but I like the old traditional names for things.
 
'Stunning' - yes, the last rider is still unconscious...

Not a novice ride. <--- very important full stop. Tell me why! The definition of 'novice' varies so much, in some company I would consider myself a complete novice, but compared to some other people I'm fairly experienced.

He/She doesn't like [activity] - ok, horse doesn't like polos, or doesn't like it's ears being touched, but when you come last it's probably your fault, not that the horse doesn't like dressage, and showing, and jumping, and hacking in front on the way out but behind on the way back except over water and bridges with an angle greater than 15 degrees from the horizontal, and passing cows but only orange ones... Get a grip!

Yes, those plaits are very good... for you - thanks Mum, that took me ages.

And finally, the one I've only heard from non-horsey people and absolute novices, but which sets my teeth on edge every single time:
"Horse-riding"
Eurgh!
 
Cortez said:
Horseback riding is worse...........
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That is terrible. I hadn't even thought of that! Mind you, descriptors like that might be important. Sometimes I practice 'horse-neck riding', or 'hanging-off-the-side-of-the-horse-riding' ... usually while someone yells "sit up!", followed by "you got a little bit unseated there!" You don't say!

I also forgot, adverts which say "would do [activity]". Well, why hasn't it? I'm sure my share horse 'would do' a novice dressage test, but she would be accompanied by mocking laughter the whole way round and we would never be able to show our faces in public again. 'Would do' means nothing!
 
Cortez said:
Nope, I call all yellow things with black points dun. When I lived in the States I heard some being called "lineback duns", which was graceful, but I think buckskins should remain in the good ol' US of A (besides, it's nice to have something to argue with Faracat about).
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That is all well and good but it has already has been established on another thread that buckskins and duns are separate colours and genes.

So that would be the same for Overos and Pintos and all the other USA terms. What a strange statement to make, so that must apply to cars then mustang - corvettes etc etc. That is their name that is what they are called regardless of the country.

Sorry not a strong argument when it applies only to the things you say should change, if my ponies DNA comes back she is a buckskin not a dun, then that is what I will put on her passport. I will call like like it is not rename her colour to suit a minority


The UK are happy to use and keep buckskin and since your not in England its not really an issue that we keep Buckskins and Duns separate.

Maybe the USA should rename all our breeds of ponies to suit them over there. I think then I ought to remove the horrid Irish name from a Draught horse.

So when I go ride I will ride my English Draught and my English sports horse, as I don't want anything with the Irish name associated with them.
 
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RutlandH2O said:
I'm American, and have always used the word 'lunge.' I never saw it spelled longe until I moved to the UK.

I don't particularly care for the American Western turn of phrase in respect of horses, their tack, and their colo(u)rs. The US is vast, and what might be very familiar on the East Coast (where I was born), may seem quite foreign to someone in the Midwest or Southwest, and vice versa. I lived in Hawaii for almost 20 years before coming to the UK. There's a very defined paniolo (cowboy) culture in Hawaii, especially on the Big Island, where cattle ranches dot the slopes of Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa. Yet, at the base of the Ko'olau Mountains, not far from Honolulu, on O'ahu, there are traditional English riding schools and events. Going north on the eastern slopes of the Ko'olaus, there are cattle ranches, as well. It's a very mixed bag, with many different words to describe common equine related subjects...a microcosm of the continental mainland.
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Oh Lucky you. After a recovering from a major health scare, my o/h and I spent 3 weeks in Hawaii, including riding. It was a wonderful holiday.

At one time there were 50,000 feral horses on the Big Island - I think the climate is horse heaven.
 
HGA-12 said:
Thank you for pointing that out but I think I have known that since 1979 or should do after my BHS Training

I also not only ride western but compete western too for the past 8 years and know all the gaits and perform them too. As well as the Direct bend snake trail and indirect bend snake trail and more.
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I'm sorry you took offence but how would I know that? The original comment was that the words were somehow 'irritating' but how is that possible? I assume you use them when you compete and teach western riding don't you? If not, do you use trot and canter?m
 
Ponio and horsey - 'i despair of adults using this - |I used to correct my young daughter as a toddler every time she said horsey - I would say No it's a horse!!!
 
Blurr said:
That's interesting. What order do the limbs move in? I've always seen it has a particular pace/speed within a gait, or performance of a gait rather than a separate gait. Rather like passage is a type of trot, it's still trot as the limbs move in diagonal pairs.
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The footfall sequence should be the same although they are often less concerned with the purity of the sequence. But they are different to ride and look at. Western horses do often have a 'trot' and even a 'long trot', performed rising or even standing. I genuinely thought that horses were taught to jog and lope by shutting down what i think of as the natural gaits of trot and canter until I worked with purpose bred QHs and saw the the foals moved.

That said, I wouldn't call a passage a variation of trot, so I'm being likely being pedantic. :) I just don't see why you would describe a horse with anything other than the vernacular of its discipline? FEI horses 'jog' for the vet because that's what it's called in context, even though they trot. Western Pleasure horses jog because that's what they do. :)
 
Capriole said:
It wasn't her that was objecting to jog and lope, she was agreeing it's a valid term :D
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And I was told off for agreeing that they were different gaits than trot and canter, so it was more correct to use them for western riding, which I'm not sure everyone who only rides English style would appreciate. Apparently this was offensive. ;)
 
'Pull it's teeth out!'
'Get angry!'
'Kick every stride, NAG NAG NAG'
'Growl'
'Smack him with your whip! HARDER'
All phrases from my old riding school. Telling a 7 year old who is riding a pony in a Pelham probably isn't the wisest idea.
 
See I don't mind poo picking ....however I do hate seeing people write pooh picking.
Pooh is a tubby bear who lives in hundred acre wood and has a friend called piglet. He doesn't need scraping out of your field.
 
Not so much a phrase that annoys me, rather just something people do. When people think a horse is a palomino when in reality it's a flaxen chestnut. Or when they're like 'my horse is a dun' um no, that is a bay. Or when people say 'stick' for crop. No no dear, it's a crop. C R O P. I also hate the word 'pinto' for some reason. Just ew no thank you.
 
myponyvic said:
Or when people say 'stick' for crop. No no dear, it's a crop. C R O P.
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Actually I don't think it's as clear cut as that. In the UK traditionally the term crop is reserved for the hunting crop with a horn handle. When people refer to the stick, they usually mean the general purpose short whip with a leather keeper, which is more correctly called a jumping whip not a crop. Use of the term crop for the jumping whip is an Americanism.
 
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TarrSteps said:
I'm sorry you took offence but how would I know that? The original comment was that the words were somehow 'irritating' but how is that possible? I assume you use them when you compete and teach western riding don't you? If not, do you use trot and canter?m
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Sorry its in my profile, I forget most people don't read profiles........


When lunging i use both English and western terms, I say T.R.O.T..... ON. Then shift to Western and say J.o.g.g.i.n.g and he switched to the western jog in front of me. I use those when riding to, mine differentiate the different terms and respond with the correct gait .

the JOGGING I use the lower tones in my voice, its a much lower to the ground pace and feels different too more like a side to side movement, its hard to explain but very comfy.
 
livetoride said:
Actually I don't think it's as clear cut as that. In the UK traditionally the term crop is reserved for the hunting crop with a horn handle. When people refer to the stick, they usually mean the general purpose short whip with a leather keeper, which is more correctly called a jumping whip not a crop. Use of the term crop for the jumping whip is an Americanism.
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I did mean like a hunting crop aha. I've seen a fair few people call it a stick. Thanks though, didn't know crop was a jumping whip in America :) Always called a jumping crop a short whip, not a schooling/dressage whip.
 
I hate adverts which say 'rosette machine / jumping machine / dope on a rope'. In fact any words which denigrate the equine.
 
Rollin said:
Oh Lucky you. After a recovering from a major health scare, my o/h and I spent 3 weeks in Hawaii, including riding. It was a wonderful holiday.

At one time there were 50,000 feral horses on the Big Island - I think the climate is horse heaven.
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There are actually quite a few thousand feral donkeys on the Big Island, as well, at least when I lived in Hawaii prior to 1994.

The Hawaiian climate is another example of the mainland in miniature. Except for the freezing temperatures typical of the continental US (and which are possible at altitude on Hawaii's volcanic mountains), Hawaii's climate varies depending on which part of the islands one inhabits. Generally, the north and east coasts of the islands are green and lush. Conversely, the west and south coasts tend to be arid and brown. Just as I would find it difficult to live in California with my horses because water is in short supply and hay must be provided 12 months of the year due to a lack of grass, I would have the same problems living on the south or west coasts of the Hawaiian Islands with horses. Go to the north and one comes to towns like Kamuela where you could be forgiven for thinking you were somewhere in the UK. Not that far from Honolulu and Waikiki on O'ahu, take the coast road to the south near Hawaii Kai and there are prickly pear cacti growing along the roadside. The islands are a melting pot of cultures and climates on tiny dots of land in the Central Pacific ocean.
 
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