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Farrier trimmed his feet on Thursday and rolled the toe of the seedy toe foot slightly. I think it looks a good bit better- any thoughts?

He has also started on forage plus summer hoof minerals. I soaked his foot for 30 mins today in dilute Milton and planning to do that a couple of times a week until it all grows out. I am also using the data life hoof disinfectant. Any other hints/tips? I've got a better pic of the seedy toe now it's a bit more open.

All comments welcome :-)

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I used Red Horse products on my horse's seedy toe. I washed out with their disinfectant spray every day and the packed with Artimud. She lived out at night all winter (so stood in wet mud for 17 hours or so) and it cleared up very quickly. It's completely clear now and growing out. I still use the spray every day to stop any other baddies getting in the hole that's growing out and to prevent thrush (she's gone barefoot due to lameness caused by under-run heels and broken back hoof-pastern axis). I am a complete convert!
 
the hoof wall still looks quite long in the sole pic to me but that maybe because I am used to Frank's flat feet ;)
 
How deep is the seedy toe crack? If it's shallow and superficial, it should be easy enough to clean and should grow out.

My filly's seedy hole cracks were cavernous (two on each front foot). Hence the need to drill them out. The hooves sounded hollow when tapped with a hammer. I had previously tried to clean them for months with milton etc but it didn't touch it.
 
The hole was getting bigger and a crack appeared. Since shoes off and using the RH products the hole has not spread and the crack has grown out. Inside the hole is smaller, dry and not black - at our last trim the trimmer was happy the infection had gone (healthy white line - yay!). I would definitely pack the hole with Artimud, it stops grot getting in and has antiseptic properties.
 
def use the sole cleanse now it will help clear the infection. or use that to clear then pack with the artimud :)
 
Tiddlypom said:
How deep is the seedy toe crack? If it's shallow and superficial, it should be easy enough to clean and should grow out.

My filly's seedy hole cracks were cavernous (two on each front foot). Hence the need to drill them out. The hooves sounded hollow when tapped with a hammer. I had previously tried to clean them for months with milton etc but it didn't touch it.
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I don't really know tbh, pretty shallow I think. A few mm, maybe 5. Is that deep or shallow for seedy toe?
 
If you clean out properly first then no, it's meant to be antifungal and antibacterial. If it's a very deep hole it may be difficult to get it really clean (as a poster above mentioned), but my horse's seedy toe was pretty shallow and this system worked for us. Good luck!
 
We had a horse with seedy toe that we tried yo treat with disinfectants etc, but really we was just letting it get worse. As far as im aware is an anaerobic bacteria and the only thing that kills it, is to expose it to air. In our case, our 'then' farrier completely mislead us with regards to treatment and it got so bad that the poor horse ended up going lame, the xrays showed just how bad it had got. All you could see from the outside was a small crack at the toe, that never seemed to grow out. By the time he went to the vets and the vets farrier begun to dig out begin the crack, the cavity was so bad, you could put a farriers nail up behind the hoof wall : ( poor pony. We felt awful, but trusted our then farrier.

http://farriery.com/2011/12/05/seedy-toe/
 
Phew!! I'll keep at the Milton soaks for a few days then till I'm convinced it's clean then I'll brave the artimud!!

For those that saw the pics on the other thread do you think the foot looks better since it has been trimmed? Shape/balance wise ?
 
Flyermc said:
We had a horse with seedy toe that we tried yo treat with disinfectants etc, but really we was just letting it get worse. As far as im aware is an anaerobic bacteria and the only thing that kills it, is to expose it to air. In our case, our 'then' farrier completely mislead us with regards to treatment and it got so bad that the poor horse ended up going lame, the xrays showed just how bad it had got. All you could see from the outside was a small crack at the toe, that never seemed to grow out. By the time he went to the vets and the vets farrier begun to dig out begin the crack, the cavity was so bad, you could put a farriers nail up behind the hoof wall : ( poor pony. We felt awful, but trusted our then farrier.

http://farriery.com/2011/12/05/seedy-toe/
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How did you treat it in the end?
 
oxygen is certainly not the only thing that will kill and anaerobic bacteria ;), antibacterials will do the job too if you can get them in there.
 
It was very long : ( i only wanted to post because all you could see from the outside was a black line at his toe, that was about 2" long. we tried all the products, but it never really seems to grow out. In the end the farrier cut out a U shape to cut the crack out, but it started to appear above the U. We was even told to put hoof putty in it to stop dirt getting into it, but nothing stopped it.

It was a trip to the vets for xrays, then the vets farrier had to cut away all the effected hoof. In our case it wasnt good news and it went so close the his coronet band it was scary and then all the way round to almost his heel on one side. The vets where very guarded as to if he would pull through (unfortunately it got to this point because he went lame very suddenly) : ( he had an egg bar shoe put on, but it could only be nailed onto one side of his hoof with 2 nails, so was hit or miss as to if it would stay on. The shoe was hen filled in with a gel to help prevent his pedal bone gong through his sole because he'd lost all his support. He was then on complete box rest for 4 months with minimal walks out incase he lost the shoe. He was back at the vets every 4 to 5 weeks to be checked on and re-shod if needed. After about 2 months, they tried putting a fake hoof 'stuff' to act as a hoof wall so he could have a proper shoe and could go out, but this made him lame and had to be drilled out the next day, so he ended up on box rest for along time.

However he did pull through, he's now 23 (he was 9 at the time) and has never suffered with it again! but to this day we wished we'd had it xrayed ALOT sooner, it would have saved so much suffering.

The only thing (so im lead to believe) that kills it, is to expose it to air?
 
Tiddlypom said:
Flyermc, we seem to have had very similar experiences.
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It wasnt a fun time. I was only young at the time and when he went lame for the 2nd time when they put the fake hoof stuff on, we was convinced it was the end of the road. I remember driving him to the vets convinced he wasnt coming home, it was awful : (
 
This link shows similar to what he looked like, but it was more or less up to his coronet band and to his heels on one side it looked awful. No-one told us at the time, but several people on our farm mentioned after, that they didnt think he'd pull though. The link also shows the fake hoof stuff that we tried, but made him lame, so had to be removed. This was many years ago and treatments have probably advanced since.

http://hoofcare.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/Silverman-Woodward-equine-podiatry-hoof-repair.html
 
Flyermc said:
The only thing (so im lead to believe) that kills it, is to expose it to air?
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Ime this is simply not true. I have dealt with a good few cracks over the years and diet (no 1!), cleaning, disinfection and decent trimming that takes account of the health of the hoof works in many cases. Of course there are cases where resection is required.


As an antidote to the surgical/resection model...
http://www.hoofrehab.com/WallCracks.html
http://www.hoofrehab.com/Diet.html
 
RE the trim - why have the side walls and quarters been left so long? If my horse's hooves were like that (especially with all the flair in that area), I'd be booking the farrier for a trim.
 
Faracat said:
RE the trim - why have the side walls and quarters been left so long? If my horse's hooves were like that (especially with all the flair in that area), I'd be booking the farrier for a trim.
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No idea! Does it look like a bad trim to you? Will there still be peripheral loading with this trim?
 
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