Pictures of horses working 'properly' ?

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I was reading a post below about 'outline' help.
I know that an 'outline' is achieved when the horse is working forward, and should come from behind etc, but can anyone please post some pics of horses working 'properly'?

For example when people say a horse is 'tracking up well' or working properly from behind to make it work properly in an 'outline'.

I don't mind if the horse is your own, or an international horse and rider, but could you please post pics and explain to me why the horse is working correctly?
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And maybe pictures showing a horse not working correctly, and again explain why?

Thankyou
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I feel a tad stupid asking this
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but I'm hardly an expert and I'm not going to learn unless I ask, right?!
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I'm with you here, embob. I have no idea what people are talking about half the time. I think I understand what working in an outline looks like but I'd love to see some pics. Tracking up etc just leaves me bewildered....
 
These two both have 'a very correct way of going' according to the majority of their test sheets. In these photos both ponies are tracking up, and are holding themselves well. Both are competing at Novice level dressage (first is 14.2 and second is 13.2).

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So glad to hear I'm not alone ChicoMio!!

It would be interesting to see as it would also be nice to know whether I'm getting the pony I ride to do the right thing
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I could be doing it all wrong..!
 
Tracking up basically means working torwards the horses back legs moving into the footsteps where the front feet were, over tracking is also considered good whether the horses back feet go over the foot prints of the front feet (thats the most basic explanation I can think of)

Pickle isn't the best example, but to be working in an outline they should be pushing from behind, working over there back and head position shouldn't be the main focus

In this you can see his head is tucked in but he is slightly overbent, as the poll should remain the highest point, he is also not using himself from behind (yo'd expect to see almost a triangle with his front and back legs if he was)
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This is by no means perfect but much better
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Make any sense, taken me ages to even begin to comprehend it and Pickle isn't a great example as he does tend to lack impulsion sometimes.
 
Thanks guys
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Bossanova, the link looks really interesting.. Will definatly take a look tomorrow when I'm more awake.. Thanks!
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So, the pony I ride, tracking up correctly, yes or no?
If no, don't blame pone, blame numpty rider
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Cripes, maybe I'm confused, but alot of these I wouldn't have as correct, only one picture and maybe another on the whole page I'd have as correct
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I don't think you can tell from just a picture in walk if a horse is tracking up? Trot it is clear if the photo is take at just the right time...
Your pony looks to be very nearly overtracking or overtacking in the pictures embob
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1st picture better than 2nd. Could prehaps be more engaged but maybe not depending on his athletism. Look pretty good
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Pip's working trot
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I know they are in a carriage, but none working correctly
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I would say Bob is working better in the first than the second pic, in the first pic he looks to be swinging more. though perhaps a bit overbent- can't tell with the angle

In the second he looks a little bit tense and is a little on the forehand maybe, he just doesn't look quite so good.

I am going to have a play at opinions on the other pics just to see what other people say- no expert though just going on what I see I don't have any of frank I can post, the sig dr pic is probably the best one of him

Nosurrender I would would say little pone is moving nicely, swinging in his back, going forward and in a nice frame.
Agree with Jess, pickles second pic is much better than the first as he is going forwards and using that lovely bottom
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Lisa's welsh has a nice frame but doesn't look to be stepping under enough- you can see that the hinds seem not to be stepping into where the fronts were

Chico, I agree a bit saggy in the middle as you put it, I would say that head carriage is due to the pelham as reins look quite long so not really going forwards into the contact at all. (I know of a horse who would go similarly in a pelham, gives a light feel but horse not really working through)
 
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Chico, I agree a bit saggy in the middle as you put it, I would say that head carriage is due to the pelham as reins look quite long so not really going forwards into the contact at all. (I know of a horse who would go similarly in a pelham, gives a light feel but horse not really working through)

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Well he hated that Pelham with a vengeance so I usually tried to never take up any contact at all or he had it between his teeth and was off!

Right, at least I have an idea of what we are working towards.

Bossanova - that article is very interesting indeed, looking at FB again in that pic I can see he is not carrying himself well at all.
 
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A canter one for interest

not me riding btw, this is a friend who when she last cantered months ago fell off. She liked franks canter
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I would like to have him stepping under a bit more but apart from that he is working quite nicely and is trying quite hard with a strange person who isn't quite balanced. - His canter is now lush - his most improved pace and can be very collected but can be bouncy!
 
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For a baby horse, this I believe shows the start of working correctly. He was only 5 in this pic, but reaching into the contact, working from behind with the poll as the highest point
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As they get older, they should become more "uphill" and take weight behind, without coming behind the verticle
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kat I think thats a really nice pic actually, I think it can be hard to imagine what the start of working correctly is, Frank has always had a very round neck, and its short (does that make sense) and consequently has a tendency to become tight in it or drop behind the vertical (those are his bad habits)

goddy is moving forward, freely and looks to be relaxed all round.

I like that pic
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Not atall
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To be fair one of them is very, very tense all the time and can't even be lunged as he stands shaking so I'll let that one off, one of the leaders was strapped down with a broken jaw and now won't take a contact atall, the other leader is a lazy sod and won't go off the voice and the final one he the confo. of a cow with a weak back
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I do feel the need to yell at him, alot, when he is driving
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It is so
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going on the back
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JCB will confirm I am easily
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Thanks!

Yeah funnily enough Goddy has a short neck so it took me a LONG time to get him to stretch over his back into a contact
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Its one of the most difficult habits to break, a horse sitting behind the contact and not working from back to front into it IMHO
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overbent demonstrated here, this is frank's I will tuck my nose in here look.

you can see that he is not truly going forwards, isn't going to track up, is light in the contact (too light)

to counteract this I would normally open him up by doing some medium strides either on a circle or on a diagonal
 
Smart baby, but he isnt working correctly in the fact he isnt working from behind into a consistant but soft contact and moving freely forward. You can certainly see he was going to be VERY smart, but he would need to be more relaxed over his topline first IMHO, which I imagine came with more work and strength
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Smart baby, but he isnt working correctly in the fact he isnt working from behind into a consistant but soft contact and moving freely forward. You can certainly see he was going to be VERY smart, but he would need to be more relaxed over his topline first IMHO, which I imagine came with more work and strength
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Its a bloody good start for a 3.5 year old only 4 months backed though, you have to admit and he is ID/TB and built naturally slighty downhill - heavy shouldered!

I ve seen 10 year olds that cannot track up like that after a lifetime of schooling!!!
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the overbending does depend a bit on which bit I am using- I can't use the loose ring too much, I have to go back to an eggbutt every so often and get him to nose poke a bit more. Apart from when a certain dr trainer is teaching us who likes to see him overbent, last time I stuck him in the loose ring lozenge which he is bad in and she loved it!!

He is better in tests as he is more forward with an audience
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and he does have his welshness against him (tendency to curl up and bounce)
he took a long time to teach to stretch to gallop.......
and to be fair he never did this as a youngster as far as I know. When I got him he was very much one of these my head is in the right place and I am buggered if my back end is doing anything. He would not be anywhere near tracking up despite being very short coupled.
he does a fab job of this still if I were to lunge with sidereins- so I don't!!
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Yeah you see I got slated in the dr. test as he was too long, which is fair enough, but in an intro you'd want to see them in a longer outline IMHO!?!
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Agree re. the loose rings, although i use a mullen mouth loose ring nathe which is fab to get tehm reaching forward. Lunghing with the drawreins over their backs, through their front legs and clipped to the bit rings works wanders too as it is impossible for them to duck behind it.
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Madam works like this at least ones a week and it really helps get her to lift her back, and it really got Goddy going well
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yes, I tend to ride prelims in a diff bit (he has a lot of bits!) than I do novices. - He pretty much will go in anything but slightly different in all of them.

He is pretty good if I lunge him on 2 lines, it means I can control everything and the back line encourages him to step under. Poor boy bit of a shock to the system all this when you are his age!! He improved dramatically about 6 months ago. It is basically in preparation for if he is not allowed to jump as much for any reason he has another job

it has also improved his jumping no end
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and he is much nicer to ride and he has less issues with his back than he used to so its all good.

hard to tell from pics though it is such a snapshot
 
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