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I am very much wallowing in self pity tonight

Just had the OOHs emergency vet out and now have at least 2wks of box rest to look forward to along with twice weekly vet visits.

I think it's just the final straw to break this camel's back ?

In March mum brought him in because I was at home sick. He was a bit pottery on a front and due to mud I suspected an abscess as no heat or pulses I wasn't well enough to get there the next day so got the vet out without me being there. Vet suspected laminitis although no reaction to hoof testers, no pulses, no heat, fully weight bearing and not very lame.

Cue two weeks of box rest being treated like a laminitis horse to be safe and full range of blood/cushings/ems tests that all came back clear. The lameness lastest less than 24hrs and no one had any idea what happened. I posted on here at the time about lami and ventipulmin.Think I was about £800 all in for multiple visits and tests.

A few weeks later tries to amputate his leg on who know what in the field. Called OOH vet on the Sunday night and sent photos. Vet ummed and ahhed them decided not to come out, I was to clean and dress it and someone would come out Monday.

My usual vet came out Monday and straight away said it needed stitched/stapled. So really the other vet should have come.out the Sunday night when I called twice ?

Sure I posted pictures on here somewhere but leg was stapled and big bandage put on, to be changed by vet at least twice a week. At second change horse had developed pressure sores so bandaging was changed to different materials and what not. Think it ended up approx 5wks of box rest and just shy of 3k all in.

Horse hates box rest. It's internal stables so can hear the others outside. He also has mild asthma so being in 24/7 is not good for him although his ventipulmin helps.

Prior to the amputation he was supposed to be going to the breed show. So that didn't happen.

Off box rest for the leg and a fair few weeks later he's booked into a groundwork clinic...had big reaction to vaccination so had to scratch.

Due to go to another clinic a week on Sunday. Everyone fine this morning but noticed some electric tape down about 2. Brought them in and he's got a wee cut over his fetlock. I made sure he didn't know about the upcoming clinic so that this wouldn't happen again.

Cleaned it up and flushed with saline. It's barely 1.5mm deep and approx 10mm wide. He's sound and weight bearingso give him bute, cold hose and keep an eye.

It swelled up a bit so called OOH vet and thankfully it was my vet on call. Sent him the pictures and he wanted to see it in the flesh so came out.

Clipped, cleaned, probed, local anesthetic, stapled and bandaged. At least 14 days box rest with twice a week bandage changes, last time a bandage change visit was £238 iirc. Back on box rest in this heat heat a shed full of newly bought off the field hay, so far from ideal for his breathing.

I choose not to insure and I'm fine to pay his bills/money isn't a factor in any health care decisions but I am a bit fed up at the frequency in which money is leaving my account to go to the vets.

I don't have an arena or lights so summer really is our only time to do anything. It gets so wet here spring and autumn, never mind winter, that fields are not usable for anything other than turnout. He's also allergic to flies so despite wrapping up he often ends up with bites in saddle or girth area so no tack can go on.

I know worse things happen, I lived through a few of them with previous horses, but I'm just feeling very sorry for myself. I walk the field daily anyway and have been over it with toothcomb since the leg incident. I can't find anything to have caused any injuries at all. We both hate box rest and having 3 horses makes it tricky because he's the only one ok outside by himself. When they are in the stables they can't see each other.

Just pointless moaning rambling but better out than in. To make things worse I don't even have any chocolate to comfort eat ?

Misery loves company....
 

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Moan away, that is a rotten run of luck :(
I seem to recall it’s your own (or parents?) yard- does this give you the option to build a permanent coral as an alternative to box rest at all?
If the issue is the others going out of sight can you fence an area off for them to stay within sight too, so even if he just goes out in the day and comes back in at night it breaks it up for you all?
I have to admit, I don’t miss the vet bill aspect or stress ? so you have my sympathy
 

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Moan away, that is a rotten run of luck :(
I seem to recall it’s your own (or parents?) yard- does this give you the option to build a permanent coral as an alternative to box rest at all?
If the issue is the others going out of sight can you fence an area off for them to stay within sight too, so even if he just goes out in the day and comes back in at night it breaks it up for you all?
I have to admit, I don’t miss the vet bill aspect or stress ? so you have my sympathy

Not really, we tried to sort something during his last bout of box rest and it didn't go well. He was even worse being able to see them but not be with them.

Then when we sectioned a bit so they could touch noses etc it quickly descended into a face biting tournament that had disaster and accident waiting to happen written all over it. So thst was the end of those bright ideas ?

More just having a wallow that, for me, the usable part of the year is nearly over and he's been broken on and off since March. By the time he comes off this it'll be mid August then need to build him back up again and then it'll be late september which is officially winter here.

I can't post the exact address because it pinpoints the house exactly but the awful constant weather here is literally spelt out in the place name. The clued were there but th3 olds ignored them!!!
 

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Same, combed the field in may… que BB coming in with what looked really bad but was superficial… turns out there was square fencing and he had cut himself of the tiniest bit, actually put his leg through and pulled the shoe off while he was at it! Then last friday he got stung! Its just sometimes the way it goes, for a tb bb is not a self harmer lol..

chin up , things will start looking up soon ?
 

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Not really, we tried to sort something during his last bout of box rest and it didn't go well. He was even worse being able to see them but not be with them.

Then when we sectioned a bit so they could touch noses etc it quickly descended into a face biting tournament that had disaster and accident waiting to happen written all over it. So thst was the end of those bright ideas ?

More just having a wallow that, for me, the usable part of the year is nearly over and he's been broken on and off since March. By the time he comes off this it'll be mid August then need to build him back up again and then it'll be late september which is officially winter here.

I can't post the exact address because it pinpoints the house exactly but the awful constant weather here is literally spelt out in the place name. The clued were there but th3 olds ignored them!!!
Oh bother. So tempting to wrap them in cotton wool sometimes ? sorry you’ve lost most of this year one way or another
 
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Could you leave him loose in the barn then he can wander between stables to where he feels most comfortable?
 

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Not really, we tried to sort something during his last bout of box rest and it didn't go well. He was even worse being able to see them but not be with them.

Then when we sectioned a bit so they could touch noses etc it quickly descended into a face biting tournament that had disaster and accident waiting to happen written all over it. So thst was the end of those bright ideas ?

More just having a wallow that, for me, the usable part of the year is nearly over and he's been broken on and off since March. By the time he comes off this it'll be mid August then need to build him back up again and then it'll be late september which is officially winter here.

I can't post the exact address because it pinpoints the house exactly but the awful constant weather here is literally spelt out in the place name. The clued were there but th3 olds ignored them!!!
Cant be worse that the wettest part of Scotland lol ? ayrshire ??
 

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Could you leave him loose in the barn then he can wander between stables to where he feels most comfortable?

Unfortunately not. Hard to describe but top shoet side is 3 stables then one down the long side as a tack room beside that is bedding and one of dad's trailers. The opposite long side is all stacked hay bales and another stable that dad uses as a tool shed. In the middle is a horse trailer, two Tractors, a trailer for the tractor, ride on lawn mower and loads of stuff that dad needs to keep just in case it's ever needed...

I haven't been able to think of a way to block off the passageway in front of the stables securely. Also shed is packed fuller than normal with off the field hay so he'd end up pulling that down because the wall of hay is parallel to their makeshift walk way.

Thats a really long way of saying no. Sorry ? I did try to figure something out during the last lot of box rest and prior to that when mum's TB had severe cellulitis (& was to move as much as possible) but we couldn't fashion anything that was safe.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

Also this wasn't all supposed to be about me, its a free for all on the tales of woe!
 

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I'm so sorry you are having to deal with all of this @TPO :(

It never rains but it pours - in both equine and weather terms doesn't it?! I'm afraid I cannot add anything remotely useful, but I can send you virtual <<hugs, wine and chocolate>>
 
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Sorry to hear this!
Can you change the bandages yourself? Or just turn out!? Small to medium cuts should be fine turned out - if stable and on antibiotics that would definitely be my course of action, with blue spray on in the morning and Manuka honey at night.
Sounds scary if you’re used to the box rest and vets route but they are very good at healing themselves.

Really hope he’s on the mend soon ?
 

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I made a super dark chocolatey brownie today as i was feeling the same as you - and its been ages since ive had any chocolate, so craving at all time high! Im also going to have a glass of red with a generous second slice soon! ?
Wish i could offer you some…you’d forget your woes instantly ?

Horses can throw so much at us - the stories from all the members here that i often read make me realise thst we’re a super tough bunch to take on the care of such animals that frequently, unexpectantly, shock us (or our wallet!) in good and bad ways.
Zen philosophies say that the ultimate state to achieve the sanest egoic life experience is to open ourselves to the unknown, willingly - i’d say owning a horse is the epitome of that.
Give yourself a pat on the back for embracing the equine journey - the treasures are mined often through sweat, tears and an empty bank account.
Another zen philosophy (ive started so may aswell!) is life flows continually - so more money flows in…and flows out…then in…?

big hug for perseverance this year x

p.s - winter officially starts dec 21st - you lot have recently been mentioning more and more winter looming…its killing me! What happened to glorious autumn?! ?
 

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Sorry to hear this!
Can you change the bandages yourself? Or just turn out!? Small to medium cuts should be fine turned out - if stable and on antibiotics that would definitely be my course of action, with blue spray on in the morning and Manuka honey at night.
Sounds scary if you’re used to the box rest and vets route but they are very good at healing themselves.

Really hope he’s on the mend soon ?

Changing the bandages is fine it's what happens if the wound isn't fine. He's quite sensitive and the pressure sore from his last injury hasn't gone yet so it's a big worry (for me) that he's about to get another. Also my super vet is now off on leave from Monday and I'm a bit worried about it not being him doing the full treatment due to some things that have happened before.

Today's injury. There's a bit of blood and staples

How he came in
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After vet clipped and flushed
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Staples
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Bandage. If you zoom in you can see thr scar above his knee from April's disaster and the pressure sore protruding at the back of his knee.

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TPO that is so rubbish I am sorry to read!!!

I am maybe being dim but does it have to be bandaged like that- over the staples? I've never (touch wood) had to have anything stapled so that could be a daft Q.

Can a normal TPO style bandage not surfice and if the wound looks dodgy you get the vet out at that point?
 

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What rubbish luck. Touch wood mine aren't creating too many unexpected costs atm, I have just paid £350 for the yearling to have stitches after he followed his little friend through a gap that was plenty big enough if you are 11hh, not such a good fit for 13.2hh. Why do they always do these things OOH?
Can you not do bandage changes yourself and update the vet with photos? We had one needing IV antibiotics, I told the vet I was a nurse (human) and he showed me what to do and let me get on with it, that saved a small fortune.
 

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I don't think it's a pat on the back I need @PurBee it's an intervention!

I lost a horse each year 2008, 2009 and 2010. I sold the only horse I've ever sold in 2009 and he died 3mths later in his new owner's field, so he wasn't mine but it was still upsetting. Had two pts the same day 2016 and thst was after 6yrs of my TB dumbfounded vets, exhausting insurance, two surgeries and the practice who vet checked him while I had him on a pre purchase trial lying and changing his record. Then last year lost a horse out of the blue to severe cellulitis after doing literally everything possible for 5wks to try to get him better. His half hourly walks through snow drifts and round the clock nursing was all documented on here at the time ? I thought I'd finally broken the curse with this horse but looking back there has been quite a lot of "stuff" that happened with him too. It hadn't been as bad as the TBs so hasn't registered the same, until this year of calamity.

Like I said a complete pity party. Lots of people have loads worse to contend with. Just needed a moan and a wallow ?
 

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TPO that is so rubbish I am sorry to read!!!

I am maybe being dim but does it have to be bandaged like that- over the staples?

Yeah, he had over 13 layers for his knee staples and this one is bandage pad then 8 layers topped off with elastoplast.

Equal pressure, but not too much pressure, is the big thing to help the skin knit and stop the staples bursting because its over a joint so lots of movement. Hence big bandages to reduce that movement and therefore risk of staples popping
 

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What rubbish luck. Touch wood mine aren't creating too many unexpected costs atm, I have just paid £350 for the yearling to have stitches after he followed his little friend through a gap that was plenty big enough if you are 11hh, not such a good fit for 13.2hh. Why do they always do these things OOH?
Can you not do bandage changes yourself and update the vet with photos? We had one needing IV antibiotics, I told the vet I was a nurse (human) and he showed me what to do and let me get on with it, that saved a small fortune.

Hope that your yearling is better soon.

My vet knows me really well, I think I was one of their first customers when the practice started. He's the first to suggest I do things if it's an option and he frequently suggests whatsapp messages to check in rather than visits if the circumstances allow. At this stage he wants a vet to be doing the bandage changes and I'm happy to follow his guidance.

I had quite a bad bandage slip with a different vet during the knee scenario so I'm a bit nervous. Although I fully acknowledge its a tricky area and his knee bandage was fetlock to elbow so even trickier. Bandages move, it's what happens.

As soon as its OK for me to take over the bandage changes I'm sure my vet will let me know like he did last time. The cost isn't my issue, although I'd rather be keeping my money, it's just annoying that it's *something else* hence the self absorbed pity party ? ?
 
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Changing the bandages is fine it's what happens if the wound isn't fine. He's quite sensitive and the pressure sore from his last injury hasn't gone yet so it's a big worry (for me) that he's about to get another. Also my super vet is now off on leave from Monday and I'm a bit worried about it not being him doing the full treatment due to some things that have happened before.

Today's injury. There's a bit of blood and staples

How he came in
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After vet clipped and flushed
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Staples
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Bandage. If you zoom in you can see thr scar above his knee from April's disaster and the pressure sore protruding at the back of his knee.

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Ok - I am not a vet but I would absolutely chuck that out unbandaged doused in engemycin spray. Without a shadow of a doubt. More so given his history of pressure sores.
Genuinely I would just take the bandage off and turn out.

Risks of turning out unbandaged:
Wound opens and needs re-stapled
Infection - but not really a risk if on antibiotics

Risks of leaving in heavily bandaged:
Pressure sores
Ulcers
Worsening asthma
Stress to him
Stress to you
Massive expense

I’m not being one of these gung-ho online when it’s someone else’s horse people….I would genuinely turn that wound out unbandaged whatever the weather.

As an aside having dealt with lots of wounds (still not a vet! ?) that bandage looks like real overkill for a tiny wound??

Totally appreciate that we all do things differently and that there’s no one right answer, but thought I’d add my two pennarth just in case it helps :)
 

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Once upon a time I would possibly have agreed but I can't even begin to list every little thing that has gone horrifically wrong for me with horses despite doing everything right.

I trust my vet and one of the reasons I like him so much, especially after the treatment at the previous practice, is that he is so thorough. If he thinks a certain way is the best and safest way then thats what I'm going to do.

The wound did appear to be small and insignificant but it blew up in a couple of hours despite bute, cleaning/flushing and cold hosing. I wasn't going to take a risk with an injury over a joint so called and then messaged pictures.

I'm sure 99% of people and horses would get away doing as you suggest but I wouldn't. I try to take the best care of them that I can and am as conscientious as I can be yet still the wheels fall off while others who couldn't give two figs just seem to sail through life getting lucky (not meaning you, just all the horrors I saw during my decades on livery yards).
 
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