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Hi all,
An acquaintance wants to build a (modest) house on their land, so they can be there when the mares foal, and put a stop to the thefts/damage they increasingly suffer there.
Council refused permission recently, but ignoring other faults in their arguments, they also claim that wanting 24/7 access to breeding stock isn't grounds to grant permission.
Sooo...
I am looking for examples of applications where breeding livestock - preferably equine - has been successfully used to assist an application. English examples would be of most use, Cornish even better, but anything I can find out that they might be able to use to appeal would be good. Many thanks!
(PS I'm as "green" as they come when it comes to housing and environmental issues, but I know the site well and there is no reason I can think of to refuse a small house next to the stables and small barn, or I wouldn't be helping!)
 
Your friend would be best served by employing a planning consultant who would be able to do a search for other relevant cases.

As far as I know needing to be present for animals/farm/work is good grounds for permission for a caravan, especially if the animals/farm/work is the main source of income. You then need to live in the caravan for 10 years before you apply for a house, and planning may then have an equestrian business or agricultural caveat.

I don't know about the new planning guidelines though. They may be more permissive now.
 
ok so here goes...I am a planning officer for a local authority (please don't hate me I'm really quite nice!!!)

most local authorities have planning policies relating to new dwellings and the majority of these should be located within defined village development limits. Agricultural/Forestry properties are allowed in the 'open countryside' where there is a proven need for them.

Now, in my local area, we ask for at least 3 years worth of books and accounts to prove that there is a need for the property. 'Horsiculture' as it is generally known is notoriously difficult to prove a need for a dwelling, as the amount of foals/broodmares etc would have to be exceptionally high and would normally be confined to thoroughbred/racing yards.

I have allowed one property recently (it met all the requirements) but that was for a dairy/beef farm, and in general we request that a caravan or similar is on the land for those 3 years, again to prove that there is a definate need for a dwelling.

They will also need to consider access (are there lots of people visiting to look at young stock/take mares to be covered etc) and a number of other issues.

Yes, the planning system has been overhauled recently however if there is a local plan in place, this will still take precedence over the 'National Planning Policy Framework'.

hope this helps a little but if you want to know any more then just ask as this is a very (well not really) brief outline :D
 
VHF, how are you?
About 10 yrs ago we tried for planning to build a house on a brown field site, it already had a large ag. shed on it and we wanted to move our ag.contracting business to the site. We were turned down, security is not a reason to live on site and apparently we were not 'agricultural' yet all we did was farm work using hugely expensive machinery.we went to appeal and lost.
There is a chance we would get it now since we run 3000 free range hens from the site and have 150 pedigree sheep. We had to have 3 yrs of accounts too.
I seriously doubt CC will support the application, I am on the planning committee of our PC and I'm pretty sure it would be turned down. I don't know of any horsiculture dwellings being passed and infact know of very few dwellings fulfilling the 'agricultural need' criteria. I would think the best bet would be to try for a caravan, but I wouldn't hold my breathe on that one either.
 
I do know of one person who got PP for an equestrian business, but he had lived on site, in a caravan for 10 years to run a livery yard and small stud. The property had an equestrian business tie.
 
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Firstly, thank you all for your help, HHO at its best! Please keep it coming.
I think the gist is what I expected though. Not the best route to follow. Will pass it all along and keep the thinking cap on.
Thank you.
 
From what I have found out you certainly need to go down the temporary planning route first.
It is highly unlikely to gain planning for a stud farm or equestrian business.
A friend has gained temporary planning easily by breeding alpaca's. The reason being is that there is no set breeding season and can span over many months instead of just 2 or so.
Interesting article: www.wellground.com/Alpacas/article.htm
A lot of time spent on groundwork, forcasts, business plans etc are essential before even applying.
 
Oh my lord, if I suggest breeding alpacas, the husband will never speak to me again... !! :D

@jp - well thanks, cracking RCS for you despite the weather?!
 
vhf said:
Oh my lord, if I suggest breeding alpacas, the husband will never speak to me again... !! :D

@jp - well thanks, cracking RCS for you despite the weather?!
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Sheep did really well, took 10, all placed, our ewe was Reserve Female Champopion so absolutely delighted. Could have done without the sheep marquee trying to take off and the evacuation of the sheep, oh, and the pouring rain and gale force winds!! You can tell its June.
 
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