Planting in the school

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My gelding was backed in May last year and we have primarily been doing hacking since then. We did a small amount of light schooling last year for a couple of months before stopping for winter. I didn’t turn him away over winter in the traditional sense as I wanted to keep him ticking over, so we were doing a couple of small hacks a week and he’s had week long breaks periodically.
A month or so ago I decided to reintroduce some school work. A few sessions in and he was becoming reluctant to go forwards to trot and he would often plant. He had a saddle check and we established his saddle no longer fitted him well, so we put the planting down to the saddle fit and got a new one fitted. Since then, he keeps planting in the school. We can get him forwards if my instructor encourages him forward with the use of a lunge whip (gently). He’s up to date with everything else - physio, feet and teeth (although the dentist is due next week). My instructor thinks it may be pain memory from the ill fitting saddle before and he’s anticipating pain. I’ve been worried it’s pain related elsewhere but he’s never planted out hacking before, and he’s a saint to hack (in company and alone), so I think if it was pain related, he would be demonstrating those behaviours more frequently? Is it just a case that he’s trying it on a bit? Or maybe it’s a confidence/balance thing in the school? I haven’t been very firm with him when he’s planted before as I’ve been worried he’s uncomfortable and I’ve not wanted to push him. I just wondered if anyone else has experienced the same and how they’ve overcome it? My instructor is riding him next week so I’m interested to see how he reacts with a different rider.
 

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Could it be discomfort working on a circle? do you trot and canter much on hacks...maybe he's finding trotting and cantering difficult/painful? If it is pain memory from his old saddle, perhaps just get him going forwards on the lunge with his new saddle on and then if all well, get someone to lunge with you on him, and then take it from there. Perhaps dont worry about getting him in an 'outline' or contact, just get going nice and 'forwards'. Good luck.
edited to add, try using an arena to lunge in as opposed to a lunging ring. You can move with them to use the whole arena and not just stay on an endless circle. Also, lots and lots of praise and treats if he does go nice and forwards!
 
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Generally I'm not sure you can ever completely eliminate it being pain just because it doesn't happen all the time. Horses commonly override pain signals when doing what they feel is fun - hacking or jumping compared to flatwork for example. Technical but possibly relevant
Any issues seen under saddle and not on the lunge may not be saddle related, they can simply be that carrying the weight of a rider shows up underlying issues. More and more bodyworkers are starting to insist on seeing the horse ridden.
 

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I haven’t been very firm with him

Well if you are confident it is not pain related then you need to be! Otherwise you are just letting him form the habit. I suspect you are being too "nice". If mine did this I would come down like a ton of bricks. I strongly suspect that if you do this a couple of times the behaviour will miraculously stop. Moving forward from the leg, without question, every time, should be a non-negotiable.
 

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Well if you are confident it is not pain related then you need to be! Otherwise you are just letting him form the habit. I suspect you are being too "nice". If mine did this I would come down like a ton of bricks. I strongly suspect that if you do this a couple of times the behaviour will miraculously stop. Moving forward from the leg, without question, every time, should be a non-negotiable.
I think I have been too nice with him. I've got a lesson on Saturday, at a different school, so will be interested to see if he does it there, but if he does I will take a firmer approach with him.
 

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Update please!
We went to our first polework clinic at a new school on the weekend. He was completely fine hacking there/back, and was also fine in the school. He went into trot quite happily both on the hack there and in the school. The only time he showed any resistance to go forwards was about 30 mins into the lesson and he started to refuse to go over some poles, but I think this was him telling me he was tired. The instructor got us over the poles and then we called it a day. We spent the last 30 mins watching the others whilst he was dozing away in the sunshine! It was a big ask for him as it was a 40 min hack there followed by 30 min pole work session, so I think he found it all quite exhausting. My other instructor is riding him in our school tomorrow so will be interesting to see how he is in our school again with a different rider. Will report back tomorrow!
 

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What's the school surface like? Should have listened to mine when she napped in a livery yards school - surface was too deep for her. Caused a suspensory injury that still bothers her years later
It's rubber but quite old and worn down now.
 

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I would suspect that for some reason he finds working school at home uncomfortable, as he was fine in a different school.
I did wonder that. Also our school at home is fairly small compared to the one we went to at the weekend which was 60mx25m, which allowed him to ride more straight lines than being on a continuous bend.
 

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Is it worth trying some arena hires at bigger schools for a while? Or ground allowing schooling in the field? A small school can ask a lot of a youngster and it might be that schooling in a bigger space allows him to build up the strength and skills for the smaller school.
 

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This is so hard, I see plenty of great riders who can make lame horses look sound, who can push horses through discomfort...I still say that's more likely than bloody-mindedness on the part of the horse.
I know where you're coming from, and if there was any hint I thought he was in pain I wouldn't hesitate in ringing the vets immediately. I have to go off advice from my instructor, physio and saddler who know my horse well. I have no reason to believe he's in pain, apart from the planting which we believe was from the previous badly fitting saddle. If he continues to plant or displays any different behaviours then I would ring the vet.
 
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