please can I have your view on this horse and a how much??

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Advert as below. what would you think would be a sensible offer for this horse. Have spoken to the professional who has the horse and have been told that the horse is indeed very naughty and rears vertical when it doesn't want to do something. It can be good for a few days and then throw everything at you the moment the bum hits the saddle. would be interested to hear everyones view of what this horse is worth.



TRICKY BUT TALENTED

IF YOU HAVE VELCRO ON YOUR PANTS, THIS HORSE COULD TAKE YOU TO THE OLYMPICS!!

16.2hh chestnut 8 year old gelding Hanoverian

Perfect conformation and health - Recent 5 stage vetting certificate, never any lameness or health issues

Limo has exceptional paces, he is very elevated, he is balanced and comfortable to ride, his flatwork is established at medium level, he can easily half pass, leg yield, shoulder in, single changes, breathtaking medium and extended paces

He has an elastic jump with good action in front and behind, making a good shape over a fence - He has not been jumped competitively but is schooling well

He has also not been tried at cross country, but he has a bold nature, he is not spooky and has plenty of stamina

He is also very naughty, if you turn your back when tacking him up, he will remove his bandages before you know it!

When ridden he will try every excuse in the book to persuade you that you don't really want to ride him - That includes rearing, bucking, leaping, napping, basically if you don't enjoy a challenge .... this horse is not for you!

He doesn't do it every time he is ridden and the work he produces when behaving is exemplary but he has the ability to intimidate! It is as though he has an attention deficit disorder, he needs constant stimulation to stop him from providing his own entertainment

He would compete at the top level of dressage, show jumping or eventing, but I would suggest he may be more suited to eventing for the variety of entertainment! He has 39 BD points and has scores of 70% plus at Novice level

I am selling him because I bought him a month ago as a safe, sensible horse - He is not safe and sensible, he is now at a professional yard and he needs to find a home where the rider is competent to deal with his behaviour - He is however exceptionally talented and could really be a horse of a lifetime for the right rider

He can be seen and tried in Gloucestershire, 5 minutes from Junction 18 M4

I paid a lot of money for this horse and when behaving well he is worth a lot of money, I will accept the best offer made for him
 
Tricky one I thought about £4K but I can't help but apply my buying logic of a bargain is only a bargain if you want it. I suspect though this lady might not be a great rider and this is a horse that may only require an experienced hand if the dressage results are anything to go by?
 
Don't think this forum is for advertising!
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meat money.


Or look at it this way, what price do you put on your life? IMO a horse best left to a proffessional (who MAY be able to sort him out) unless you have years of expertise.

sadly, I think when they've gone that far sometimes it's best to PTS rather than pass them from pillar to post.
 
This is not an advert - I am trying to guage an opinion. I am not selling this horse, hence removing all contact details of the owner.
 
Hmm, sounds like someone's cocked it up along the way though. I once met a horse like this, he was fantastic one day, would go vertical the next. He had talent, but still no-one would buy him. he ended up at market, and I have seen him on horsemart twice since, advertised as a safe hack...
 
I wondered if was a case of rider problem and not allowing horse to settle but the yard he is at confirmed that he is naughty and is inconsistent. Apparantly the previous rider who competed him said he was naughty. It looks like the new owner was 'had'.

A friend of mine offered £1000 and was told that and offer like that was not being considered, even though she was told by the professional rider that he was a gamble of whether he could be sorted.
 
I think that is a bit extreme from that description of the horse!?!? Personally I would pay only what I could guarantee to get back for it if I could make no progress with it. Also after a full vet check including X rays etc etc. I would turn it away completely for 6mnths then treat it like a 3yr old. Long rein it, lunge and lightly school it and go from there. Lots of things can turn a horse, and sometimes its just a case of reminding it that it can behave like a horse without pressure that can sort them out.
I would prob pay max of 2.5k.
 
I doubt very much a pro would want him as they usually dont like horses that are too tricky in the rearing dept. Amateurs tend not to have the time a horse like this would require, and tend not to like being dumped on the ground.

Having said that, IMO there must be a reason other than "He doesnt like being ridden" to make him behave like that, and if you can find out what the reason is, he could be a gold mine.

There is no saying you'll find it though, or that he wont break your neck in the process. I woulnt pay more than £1500 for a horse like this - what if you get to the comp and he is "having an off day?"
 
Oh and barring physical probs, rearing can be stopped if a horse learns it is uncomfortable to do so. However it is normally a reaction to get away from something it cant cope with or undrstand. I have had experiance with a horse very similar which once it learnt rearing wasnt a way out and made life uncomfortable, turned into a fab allrounder with no hang ups.
 
Sorry sounds very much like you are....like giving details where the horse is based.....if you want to'gauge' an idea of what this animal is worth then we don't need it's location...do we?
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The problem comes when people buy them thinking they can fix them , and the horse just suffers even more. If you cannot guarantee a good home for it, where if it cannot be sorted out it will be a companion etc, then it will just end up spending the next 10 years being a challenge to different riders. In cases like this, once a rearer always a rearer, and unless it's in the very best of hands you have to think what's fairest on the horse, or the danger it could pose if sold into the wrong hands.
 
But this horse doesn't only rear - he throws the lot at you to get the rider off!! My friend was hoping to see if she could turn it round and keep it, because this horse would not easily be sold in case he did it again!! Who would buy a horse for decent money if you knew that it had been very very naughty in the past. Plus at 8 years this horse is the other side of young and established in strength and mind.
 
OC - I had the copy and paste the ad to make this post relevant to the horse. If would be hard to find the horse in glos unless you knew the horse!!
 
if you are very very patient and very brave, then he might be the find of a lifetime. i'd get his teeth checked by someone who does them properly (i.e. takes 40 mins per horse, not 15 mins), get a really good mctimoney chiropractor to check his back, get him a wonderful saddle (not necessarily one of the well-known names, but an excellent tree, softly padded underneath, etc) properly fitted, and spend a hell of a lot of time on the ground with him, spending hours getting him on your side and enjoying your company. i'd do the most basic easy parelli games too, just to get him to respect you and think you're a nice person to be around. i'd keep him out as much as possible and feed him a maintenance diet only... sounds as if he's got enough energy! if absolutely necessary, i'd send him to Richard Maxwell, who is very good with rearers.
price... umm, about £2k-£3k i guess. if the owner wants anything like what she paid for the horse, she'll have to take the last owner to court, i suspect.
good luck. fwiw, i'd probably buy him!
 
My friend had all the same views on how to treat him when she got him home, she is really good and patient with quirky horses, but does not want a total pyscho.

She rang one of the adverts in H/H advertising taking on problem horses for cash and was told they would pay no more than £500 for him. So offered £500 more. Owner obviously thinks she will get far more for him.
 
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if you are very very patient and very brave, then he might be the find of a lifetime. i'd get his teeth checked by someone who does them properly (i.e. takes 40 mins per horse, not 15 mins), get a really good mctimoney chiropractor to check his back, get him a wonderful saddle (not necessarily one of the well-known names, but an excellent tree, softly padded underneath, etc) properly fitted, and spend a hell of a lot of time on the ground with him, spending hours getting him on your side and enjoying your company. i'd do the most basic easy parelli games too, just to get him to respect you and think you're a nice person to be around. i'd keep him out as much as possible and feed him a maintenance diet only... sounds as if he's got enough energy! if absolutely necessary, i'd send him to Richard Maxwell, who is very good with rearers.
price... umm, about £2k-£3k i guess. if the owner wants anything like what she paid for the horse, she'll have to take the last owner to court, i suspect.
good luck. fwiw, i'd probably buy him!

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All very well, but 2-3K for the horse, EDT, back cracker, nice soft saddle and lets say 6 months livery charges while you do no more than play games with it..so you are way beyond 5K at this stage and still not sure if you could ever compete.
Would need somebody with deep pockets and too much time on their hands IMO
 
This is the awful thing with horses like this - you need to ensure the horse has either a certain future or a certain fate - either way not an uncertain one. You need a genuine person to take them on - that wont pass them round if not fixed - and to be honest shoot them if they are not going to be safe again. This is why they dont tend to achieve a high price - because it is usually blood sweat and tears - and a bloody big gamble as to whether they are gonna be sortable.
I really do wish the horse luck - and hope he finds a permanent home.
 
My dad used to have a similar horse, he was a b*stard, but a really stunning and talented horse. He was bred for dressage, and was good at it, but was also a fab hunter, after a lot of pain and struggling!

We thought he was sorted, sold him (cheep) for dressage and he went back to his old ways, we ended up having to buy him back, and I had 2 amazing seasons on him hunting!
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He injured himself in th field and had to be PTS, but a fab horse, even if he was totally dangerous!

He was a 17.1 BWB by the way.
 
Sounds like yet another import where people have bought something which they think is special but haven't a clue what they have let themselves in for.

I wouldn't pay for this horse. It should either be given to someone competent who will keep it for the long haul or it should be put to sleep instead of a lifetime of being passed around and finally ending up in some dodgy auction. Poor horse. It actually sounds awfully like my old girl who came to me in a similar state - I kept her till she died 16 years later and I loved her.
 
I think that having it 'put to sleep' is completely wrong - it is a horse who, at some point in it's life, has had a bad experience with a rider on their back, do you know the history of the horse?
In my opinion, the right thing to do would be to put it's future infront of money. It will no doubt need special and expensive tack, bits etc. anyway. I think you should aim to sell the horse to someone who is experienced and willing to take it rather than the person with the highest offer. I'm sure you'll find someone soon as it sounds like a really promising horse and there are plenty of people out there who specailise it that kind of stuff.

Good luck!
 
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