Please critique this, I am thinking of buying him. I need opinions.

god that breaks my heart, poor horse clearly is not right behind. And that moron sitting on it is not helping!! can we cut off his legs from knee down please! gah
 
I also think there is something not at all right with his back end. He is very weak behind without a doubt and his walk reminds me of a horse with stringhalt but in both back legs???? He is disunited in canter and kind of looks to me as though he is being held together too much and not allowed to go forwards as he should.His trot didn't look too bad,but I did notice on the walk to trot transition he was dragging himself along and he certainly wasn't tracking up as he should.
 
im sorry but id go so far as to say i liked it......and then it cantered, there is something very very wrong there especially when you watch the leg yield in canter not only is the movement incorrect behind he clearly struggles as look how much surface comes up with each stride. im sorry but i wouldnt go near it
 
QR- He looks like 2 different horses; very developed in front and weak behind. Would indicate that he's pulling himself along rather than being able to push from behind?

To me he looks lame behind in walk (near hind).

The camera in trot is quite shakey but he looks sounder?? Could be my eyes! Also seems to be riding the trot shoulder fore which means it's slight harder (for me) to see the movement compared to trotting in a straight line.

As a get out clause Youtube keeps crashing so only watched first 2mins in starts and stops. I would be wary if no transitions are shown. If he's close enough and you like him there's no harm in looking and getting an impression in the flesh.

Happy horse shopping!
 
Horse looks like a classic SI injury horse to me. We have one, the hind legs in canter almost look like they come through at the same time in moments.
I expect the have editied the transtion as if its anything like ours its unbalance and resistant.
The other tell tale sign is the difference in the muscle development infront compared to behind. Caused by a lack of wanting to sit on his 1/4s and carry himself.
 
Just a thought, but as he is soooo collected in front and quite well developed is it possible he has been forced by god knows what means to do a collected canter before ready, he looks a big lad and what will rollkur and the likes going on I wonder what other trianing methods may be taking place.

Also, would be interested in seeing him stood squarly side on - have a feeling his hock would be quite far back?
 
I agree completely with the SI injury analysis. I too have one with a SI injury and that is exactly how she canters, stabby, short and both legs 'together'.

Warning bells I am afraid !
 
Would also add that the OP Said the horse is cheap- don't know about yours Teagen but the one we have can have some serious tantrums if asked to work a bit harder ( and he has been sucessfully treated) as he remembers the discomfort- wonder if this does the same. Its very evident in the one we have transtions, this might be why they are edited?
 
Poor thing. Personally while something is clearly not right. I think it is very likely to be a kind of bridle lameness. i bet with good physio and long and low he will be fine, however I personally wouldn't buy anything like that, Free or on loan maybe

Shame he is gorgeous otherwise
 
Agree with other comments you can see in all gaits theres a problem behind, it could be the pelvis, Ive had a couple of horses with tweaks to the pelvis giving extreme weird back end movement one was easily sorted one wasnt. Agree get it looked at if your thinking of buying.
 
From the very start of the video the front end looked like it belonged to another horse.

I cant see the lameness myself, but can see him over bent at times and lacking any sort of impulsion. He clearly looks stiff and having big problems even dragging his back end along in canter. The shoulder in and leg yield looked stilted and like his back legs didn't want to cooperate with the front.

Wouldn't touch if it was me, but if your a good experienced rider it might be ok with correct schooling good physio etc???
 
Really lovely horse and reminds me of my horse in uk as v v similar in size, movement and problem! Mine had suspected stifle problem which turned out to be sacroilliac injury. Problem was more noticable on 2nd or 3rd day of riding but not on the 1st day after a break (so watch out). Symptoms = unlevel behind most noticable in trot/canter but not half as bad as the one on the video, often put both hind legs down at same time on lunge in canter. With a sympathetic rider could work ok (with someone who was more demanding it was arguments, rearing and windsucking). Was v good after about the age of 9 after loads of slow hacking, a 3500 vet bill and building up as the size and breeding were slow to mature. Even went on to SJ at 1.20 and event. Stupidly loaned him out (all problems detailed) and got back a very lame, ruined horse who looks like he'll never recover.

Moral of the story - it may be something you can improve with a lot of time, money and patience but there will always be a weakness which could manifest at any point in the future. Even if free (like mine was) it will cost you more in the long run. Is the horse KWPN or Holsteiner with Ramiro Z in the bloodline?
 
What a shame, what a lovely horse but when he cantered he reminded me of my boy before he was diagnosed with bone spavin behind in both hocks, it is the same kind of movement. But again, as a lot of people have said before, it may be the way he is being ridden, saddle, bridle etc, Only way to know for sure is to go and see him. Let us know what happens.
 
Lovely looking horse but as people have already pointed out there is something definately wrong in both walk and canter and some of the trotting.What exactly is hard to say...need to get a vet out possibly xrays to be sure but a pelvic problem wouldnt surprise me.I dont see him passing a vetting so could be difficult to insure.....the word bargepole springs to mind....sorry
 
Just watched and I admit I am far from an expert but sadly even I could see a backend problem.
Just a question-did anyone else think his tail carriage was slightly 'odd'? A bit as if he had no power/muscle in the backend at all?
Other than that he appeared to be a pleasant, genuine, kind looking soul.
 
Looks like a lovely horse but something definatley wrong behind for him to canter like that, even if he was weak. I wouldnt even get him vetted, from looking at the clip anyway.
 
That movement looks like some form of neuroligical damage - I don't think he's lame or sore, just very very weak.

He is dragging both hind toes in walk (almost 'knuckling' at some points) and looks weak in the trot. He looks like he could be dragged sideways easily by his tail (diagnostic sign on hindend weakness).

I wonder if he's a Wobbler - he's the right age, breed and size, and it would cause that kind of unsual movement.
 
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I didn't think he was lame - but VERY on the forehand (and the rider appears to be 'strong') I think he probably needs to go back to basics (in a snaffle) and learn to go forward. But I suspect he would be quite strong (in the hand!)
 
I thought he looked unlevel/uneven just occasionally in trot and the canter was just seriously odd.

I would not consider a horse that went like this even it passed a vetting on the day how do you know it will not revert to this again another day? Beautiful horse but there must be others without the odd movement.
 
I really, really liked this horse until I saw the canter.....looks very laboured almost like he's plunging through the sand....I wouldn't buy.
 
Having dealt with two SI injuries recently (one of them my own horse) I would say this horse has a SI problem. He is tipping his pelvis and bracing his back which gives the illusion of tracking up properly in walk and trot. In canter he cannot 3 time (my boy has a less serious injury and can still canter in 3 time)
He is very weak and wobbly behind. It probably is fixable, but when looking to buy I wouldn't touch with a bargepole. He is a lovely looking horse though, shame
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Obviously very honest too as I would hazard that he is in quite alot of pain.
 
Ooh - I wouldn't be riding that horse if he were mine - surely that's got to be in pain?

I wouldn't go to look at it myself, unless I had spoken to the owner about it and had a good explaination and thought it was fixable or that he wasn't in any pain and I only wanted the horse for pleasure not to compete.

Would love to be proved wrong though.
 
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