Please help me with turmeric!!

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Sorry all I have asked a similar question before, but I'm still a bit stuck! I want to feed my 24 year old turmeric but haven't got round to feeding it yet and wanted to ask a few (more!) questions.

My main problem is I don't know which oil to use. I am worried olive oil will in the long run will be unhealthy - so I've narrowed it down to (micronised?) linseed or coconut oil.

- with coconut oil, it doesn't melt unless heated to around 25C so unsuitable for me (no fridge at yard for a golden paste). I've looked for it in powder form but this is expensive and hard to find. Any recommendations, or people vouching for it?

- with linseed oil it seems expensive, and micronised was more highly recommended. But I cannot find it oil form! Is it supposed to be in solid form and you add water, am I being stupid?! Also I don't want to encourage too much of a weight gain if helped.

- he is currently fed calm and condition. It already contains linseed - will he have a linseed overdose if I add it on top?!

I cannot find the Facebook page so thats no help.

Thank you in advance :)
 
OK, so I'm no expert. Have subscribed to the Turmeric User Group on FB and frankly found it all very overwhelming.

Someone on there who is a horse owner (wish I could remember her name), gave me some very good advice, which I shall pass on. Her advice was to use micronised linseed (which isn't the runny oil form of it!), so much easier to calculate IMO.

She said to work to a ratio of one-part Turmeric to three-parts of linseed. So what I do is give my horses one teaspoon-full of turmeric, and then three teaspoons-full of Turmeric; then I get the pepper grinder (it HAS to be freshly ground - nothing else will do!) and do about 5-7 grinds straight into the feed.

If your supplement already contains linseed, then you would need to take this into account. With horses, apparently, you don't need to do the "Golden Paste" version of turmeric........ as horses are able to digest it in raw form.

But I am not an expert by any means. My mare has arthritis; and I started taking the Golden Paste which you are supposed to make up for human consumption. I tried it, but it did diddly-squat for me, so I stopped taking it. But apparently you have to get the "right" turmeric, i.e. the stuff with a certain proportion of curcumin in it....... so maybe I didn't get the right one. I might try again at some point, dunno if it is working for my horses, I'd really hoped it would help my mare with arthritis and I'd see a visible difference, but this just hasn't happened TBH but if you go onto the FB pages everyone is wow-ing about the stuff. I'm still a cynic I'm afraid, and as yet unconvinced.
 
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We've started giving it to our oldies. One it has made a significant difference to, the others I haven't noticed so much.

My friend got the Globals herbs stuff which already has the black pepper in. We just add a small scoop of micronised linseed to their unmolassed chaff. Job done.
 
Hiya, why would you worry that olive oil is unhealthy ? It is very good for feeding with Turmeric. How much linseed is there in the calm and condition ? there may be enough in the feed already . Dont forget the fresh ground pepper . The facebook group is just called "turmeric user group" . Some very experienced folk on there . It will also give you the correct ratios of different oils to feed , micronised linseed needs to be 4 times the amount of oil .
pm me if you like . You wont regret giving it a go.
 
MiJodsR2BlinkinTite said:
OK, so I'm no expert. Have subscribed to the Turmeric User Group on FB and frankly found it all very overwhelming.

Someone on there who is a horse owner (wish I could remember her name), gave me some very good advice, which I shall pass on. Her advice was to use micronised linseed (which isn't the runny oil form of it!), so much easier to calculate IMO.

She said to work to a ratio of one-part Turmeric to three-parts of linseed. So what I do is give my horses one teaspoon-full of turmeric, and then three teaspoons-full of Turmeric; then I get the pepper grinder (it HAS to be freshly ground - nothing else will do!) and do about 5-7 grinds straight into the feed.

If your supplement already contains linseed, then you would need to take this into account. With horses, apparently, you don't need to do the "Golden Paste" version of turmeric........ as horses are able to digest it in raw form.

But I am not an expert by any means. My mare has arthritis; and I started taking the Golden Paste which you are supposed to make up for human consumption. I tried it, but it did diddly-squat for me, so I stopped taking it. But apparently you have to get the "right" turmeric, i.e. the stuff with a certain proportion of curcumin in it....... so maybe I didn't get the right one. I might try again at some point, dunno if it is working for my horses, I'd really hoped it would help my mare with arthritis and I'd see a visible difference, but this just hasn't happened TBH but if you go onto the FB pages everyone is wow-ing about the stuff. I'm still a cynic I'm afraid, and as yet unconvinced.
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Thank you very much, some helpful info here! Glad to know micronised linseed does come in a solid form, and that I'm not just going bananas!!
 
maree t said:
Hiya, why would you worry that olive oil is unhealthy ? It is very good for feeding with Turmeric. How much linseed is there in the calm and condition ? there may be enough in the feed already . Dont forget the fresh ground pepper . The facebook group is just called "turmeric user group" . Some very experienced folk on there . It will also give you the correct ratios of different oils to feed , micronised linseed needs to be 4 times the amount of oil .
pm me if you like . You wont regret giving it a go.
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I don't actually know why I think its unhealthy.. just sort of some (weird?) idea I've always had. I think I'm wary of all the processed oils sold in supermarkets, and don't want to cause any negative impacts from that. I also want it to be palatable to my very fussy pony, and I wonder if coconut and linseed might be better in that sense? Maybe I should be considering it!

I've tried looking up the linseed content in c&c but not getting much, apart from it being 'linseed expeller' which seems to be in flakes. Will have to send an email to Allen and Page I think. He does not get much though.

Thank you very much, I think I will :)
 
you don't need to add pepper if you don't want to, it's actually un necessary. I feed Showshine chaff which is high oil so just add turmeric.
 
I read an article which said that black pepper made no difference in horses. I feed about 50g twice a day of a recommended brand of turmeric (just ingredients)which is meant to have a high percentage of the the active ingredient cucurmin, and feed about 200g of micronised linseed. It has really helped a 19year old hunter /eventer, but made no difference to an ancient TB(for her the linseed really helped, adding the turmeric didn't).
I think sometimes people make turmeric far more complicated than it needs to be!

ETA the cheapest way of feeding linseed is charnwoods via farm and pet place- about £24/20kgsack
 
Micronised linseed is ground down so its like a coarse powder, Charnwood is probably the easiest brand to obtain and can be bought online if needed, a sack will last ages

I understand that Copra which is a coconut based feed may also be suitable as an 'oil' - this is what I use anyway
 
I feed the Global Herbs turmeric although I do add extra pepper to this (Approximately 5-6 grinds per feed) and feed this alongside the Global Herbs flax (Linseed) oil. I put approximately 20ml in each feed alongside a small level scoop (The turmeric comes with a small blue measuring scoop) and have noticed a real difference in my girl since I started doing this. I find the oil much easier to use than micronised linseed itself, partially as it takes up less space in an already packed feed room at my yard! A bottle of the oil lasts for around a month feeding the quantity that I do per day.
 
Can anyone direct me please to where they saw pepper is not needed in horses? This would excite me greatly as I HATE grinding pepper!
I use olive oil but it also sort of solidifies in cold weather (even kept in my car) so was impossible to pour out of the bottle. Horse won't touch coconut oil so this year I'm going to try flax oil or actually feed a handful of Charnwood linseed- although I'm aiming for as little weight gain as possible also!
 
I don't mix mine with oil.

I got the global herbs turmeric with black pepper (although I'm doubtful whether the pepper is needed) and add it to a wet feed. Have only been feeding it for a week but am already seeing an improvement.
 
MiJodsR2BlinkinTite said:
OK, so I'm no expert. Have subscribed to the Turmeric User Group on FB and frankly found it all very overwhelming.

Someone on there who is a horse owner (wish I could remember her name), gave me some very good advice, which I shall pass on. Her advice was to use micronised linseed (which isn't the runny oil form of it!), so much easier to calculate IMO.

She said to work to a ratio of one-part Turmeric to three-parts of linseed. So what I do is give my horses one teaspoon-full of turmeric, and then three teaspoons-full of Turmeric; then I get the pepper grinder (it HAS to be freshly ground - nothing else will do!) and do about 5-7 grinds straight into the feed.

If your supplement already contains linseed, then you would need to take this into account. With horses, apparently, you don't need to do the "Golden Paste" version of turmeric........ as horses are able to digest it in raw form.

But I am not an expert by any means. My mare has arthritis; and I started taking the Golden Paste which you are supposed to make up for human consumption. I tried it, but it did diddly-squat for me, so I stopped taking it. But apparently you have to get the "right" turmeric, i.e. the stuff with a certain proportion of curcumin in it....... so maybe I didn't get the right one. I might try again at some point, dunno if it is working for my horses, I'd really hoped it would help my mare with arthritis and I'd see a visible difference, but this just hasn't happened TBH but if you go onto the FB pages everyone is wow-ing about the stuff. I'm still a cynic I'm afraid, and as yet unconvinced.
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It could have been me writing that! . I buy 1kg of turmeric and 3kg of micronized linseed, and mix it all together in a big tub. Share horse's owner and I share it so both horses get a slightly heaped 75ml scoop in their tea - the equivalent of roughly 3 tablespoons of linseed and 1 one of turmeric. I then grind about 10 grinds of pepper over the top. I'm a big sceptic when it comes to these things but it's cheap enough and they're both going as well as they've ever gone at 19 despite a couple of issues so I'm happy to keep up with it for now.
 
southerncomfort said:
All the info you need to make and informed decision here:

http://www.thelaminitissite.org/turmericcurcumin.html

I don't feed it as I find the issue of iron metabolism, not to mention potential liver problems a worry especially as my girls are all veterans.
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The Facebook Turmeric Users Group actively discourages the use of curcumin tablets/capsules because of the high level of curcumin present in these. Turmeric itself as a spice has relatively low levels of curcumin and so one would need to feed vast quantities of it in order to reproduce adverse effects shown in the studies quoted in this article. The information is all on the group page, in the files and people are repeatedly told not to use the curcumin capsules, but to make their own golden paste or just use turmeric in their horses' feeds. My horse had an occult sarcoid, 3cm diameter with three nodules, and in march this year I started feeding turmeric, 1tbsp twice daily, with ground black pepper (for increased bioavailability) and put dry into his Thunderbrook Healthy Herbal Chaff (contains linseed oil). The sarcoid has completely disappeared. So Im a convert! I would always use the pepper, due to curcumin having limited absorbtion and the pepperine (component of pepper) increases this. There is currently a clinical trial being conducted by the originator of the Fb group, vet Doug English, if you're interested it's called Sarcoid Trial, on Facebook. It's a public page so you can follow the trial. Interesting stuff.
 
Thanks again for the replies very helpful! :)

So to clarify people are buying linseed in powder (solid) form?! And so no liquid is needed?

Does anybody feed this as well as calm and condition, and had to alter anything as a result?

Thanks for the link southerncomfort! Does anyone have the fb link? I seriously cannot find the page!!
 
I feed tablespoon scoop turmeric (equimins) half mug micronised linseed meal and 8-10 twists of black pepper twice a day to my old girl. She's 20 and has multiple problems having semi retired at 12 and fully retired at 16/17. She was on bute daily, Cosequin and Superfeñ and was still getting 'old' quickly to the point I was on one last summer with her.... started the turmeric, I believe it has taken time but she is still here!, on no bute at all, no cosequin and half measure superfen whilst I use it up and is moving better than she has in a very long time. She is back to her wonderful bossy lawless self, is coping much better with feet trims (she has hip/sacro arthritis, old tendon/ligament hind injury and slight knee arthritis). In fact I daily threaten to bring her back to light work.
 
I feed tablespoon scoop turmeric (equimins) half mug micronised linseed meal and 8-10 twists of black pepper twice a day to my old girl. She's 20 and has multiple problems having semi retired at 12 and fully retired at 16/17. She was on bute daily, Cosequin and Superfeñ and was still getting 'old' quickly to the point I was on one last summer with her.... started the turmeric, I believe it has taken time but she is still here!, on no bute at all, no cosequin and half measure superfen whilst I use it up and is moving better than she has in a very long time. She is back to her wonderful bossy lawless self, is coping much better with feet trims (she has hip/sacro arthritis, old tendon/ligament hind injury and slight knee arthritis). In fact I daily threaten to bring her back to light work.
 
tashcat said:
Sorry all I have asked a similar question before, but I'm still a bit stuck! I want to feed my 24 year old turmeric but haven't got round to feeding it yet and wanted to ask a few (more!) questions.

My main problem is I don't know which oil to use. I am worried olive oil will in the long run will be unhealthy - so I've narrowed it down to (micronised?) linseed or coconut oil.

- with coconut oil, it doesn't melt unless heated to around 25C so unsuitable for me (no fridge at yard for a golden paste). I've looked for it in powder form but this is expensive and hard to find. Any recommendations, or people vouching for it?

- with linseed oil it seems expensive, and micronised was more highly recommended. But I cannot find it oil form! Is it supposed to be in solid form and you add water, am I being stupid?! Also I don't want to encourage too much of a weight gain if helped.

- he is currently fed calm and condition. It already contains linseed - will he have a linseed overdose if I add it on top?!

I cannot find the Facebook page so thats no help.

Thank you in advance :)
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To simplify it for you, myself and my 25 yr old mare use tumeric, initially, my mare got a measured tsp tumeric, 8 twists of black pepper corn and a slug of rapeseed oil in her feed at night, now she has a tumeric sarnie twice a week, i use whatever maragrine I have on two bits of bread, sprinkle tumeric and ground peppercorns so they cover the bread, make the sarnie and cut into slices, this has kept my mare (arthritic) sound for 2 yrs now, with no bute at all, I also just have a tumeric sarnie, again using margarine, usually with a fried egg, for cooking, I always use rapeseed oil, my arthritis is also under control, having regained the use of my hands and am not in constant discomfort now. Persevere with tumeric, it's brilliant stuff, it's only unsuitable for horses/people that are ulcer prone
 
I used to be in the FB group but found some of the general views of some of the members a bit extreme-the vet guy who is behind it seems pretty spot on though, from what i remember it won't be absorbed without the fresh ground pepper and the right oil. i used it for a while but pony's sarcoids got worse and the veteran on it hated the taste and it spoiled his mealtimes. Did not see improvement with either but aware others have had successes.
 
flirtygerty said:
To simplify it for you, myself and my 25 yr old mare use tumeric, initially, my mare got a measured tsp tumeric, 8 twists of black pepper corn and a slug of rapeseed oil in her feed at night, now she has a tumeric sarnie twice a week, i use whatever maragrine I have on two bits of bread, sprinkle tumeric and ground peppercorns so they cover the bread, make the sarnie and cut into slices, this has kept my mare (arthritic) sound for 2 yrs now, with no bute at all, I also just have a tumeric sarnie, again using margarine, usually with a fried egg, for cooking, I always use rapeseed oil, my arthritis is also under control, having regained the use of my hands and am not in constant discomfort now. Persevere with tumeric, it's brilliant stuff, it's only unsuitable for horses/people that are ulcer prone
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Flirtygirty I would love to be directed to the info you found which says not to use turmeric for ulcer prone people/horses. Everything I've read says it encourages healing, so a bit of a conflict of advice there. Thanks :)

ps edited to add : Love your idea of a turmeric sarnie! Great idea.
 
You absolutely do need to add pepper! Pepper is what releases the active ingredient in the turmeric, if you don't add it then the turmeric will just pass through them with no benefits = a huge waste of money. The ground pepper must be freshly ground in order for it to release the active ingredient, so with the global herbs one you'd still need to add fresh pepper (ie don't bother - just get standard turmeric and add pepper). You don't have to add oil if your feed contains oil or linseed. Mine get calm and condition too so I just add the turmeric and cracked pepper. It's been amazing for my 23yo very arthritic oldie!
 
poiuytrewq said:
Can anyone direct me please to where they saw pepper is not needed in horses? This would excite me greatly as I HATE grinding pepper!
I use olive oil but it also sort of solidifies in cold weather (even kept in my car) so was impossible to pour out of the bottle. Horse won't touch coconut oil so this year I'm going to try flax oil or actually feed a handful of Charnwood linseed- although I'm aiming for as little weight gain as possible also!
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You can get electronic pepper grinders to do the work for you.
 
Someone recently told me they bought their turmeric in Asian shops as it was cheaper in big sacks. Any reason this would not do the job as well a equine branded ones?
 
Limbo1 said:
Someone recently told me they bought their turmeric in Asian shops as it was cheaper in big sacks. Any reason this would not do the job as well a equine branded ones?
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I'd also be interested to know this too. I have been buying the Global Herbs one and it does last a while but would still be cheaper to buy a large pack from one of these stores. A lot of them don't tend to have labels on them so I'm unsure of the curcurmin content and wouldn't really want to waste my money if it was a lower content than is needed.
 
The equine ones are like anything with horse on it vastly inflated price versions of a simple product I use turmeric, linseed and pepper for my ponies they all get as they swap buckets I buy 5kg bags from a spice shop and it last ages you are being conned out of your money by the horse feed supplements people jumping on a band wagon as Turmeric is a well proven aid to all sorts of things. It is simple one 25ml scoop of turmeric to 3 25 mil scoop of linseed (micronised powder) and a few grinds pf fresh black pepper. has kept my old girl fot sound and free from stiffness expelled a funny fatty lump off the other and assissted in the recovery of laminitis in another so all in all I will keep using it
5kg of rumeric cost me £11 so you can see the saving for yourself
 
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windand rain said:
The equine ones are like anything with horse on it vastly inflated price versions of a simple product I use turmeric, linseed and pepper for my ponies they all get as they swap buckets I buy 5kg bags from a spice shop and it last ages you are being conned out of your money by the horse feed supplements people jumping on a band wagon as Turmeric is a well proven aid to all sorts of things. It is simple one 25ml scoop of turmeric to 3 25 mil scoop of linseed (micronised powder) and a few grinds pf fresh black pepper. has kept my old girl fot sound and free from stiffness expelled a funny fatty lump off the other and assissted in the recovery of laminitis in another so all in all I will keep using it
5kg of rumeric cost me £11 so you can see the saving for yourself
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Is this a specific brand that you are buying? I'm well aware that anything "Equine" will have an overly inflated price tag which is why I would like to purchase turmeric from an alternative source but I won't waste my money if the percentage of curcurmin is lower than 3.5% as this is too low to be absorbed and effective.
 
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