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chazzie14

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I took my 16.2 TB ex racer to Rainbow Equine Hospital on Monday as he was having trouble urinating. He was basically dripping constantly and unable to pass urine freely. Since then the vets have used catheters and saline solution to try and clear the grit like substance in his bladder. However when they scoped him they saw a clay like substance over his bladder wall that they are unable to get off. The vet didnt know what next to do as it was very inflammed and stubborn. This is stopping my boys bladder to contract and wee freely. When I asked the vet whether he would make it through he said he just didnt know. Im absolutly gutted and need to pull out all the stops for this very special boy! Please can anyone help me????

charlotte
extremely worried and determind to find someone that can help!
 
Iv heard of grit causing problems urinating but not the other. Have you thought about speaking to a vet from another practice to get there opinion. You may come across a vet who has seen this condition before.
 
My old boy had similar symptoms and when given an internal examination the Vet found his bladder felt rough and inflamed and prescribed Antib's which cleared up the problem very quickly.

I am assuming that as there appears to be no mention of Antib's then your TB has different issues.

I do hope they are able diagnose the issue quickly and make him comfortable.

((hugs))
 
Hey, sorry im new to this forum. I take it by Antibs u mean antibiotics? If so yes hes been on them and also on bute and also on ascorbic acid and still nothings worked. Have asked for a second opinion but someone else mentioned ringing Liverpool uni as they have one of the best equine vets.
 
chazzie14 said:
Hey, sorry im new to this forum. I take it by Antibs u mean antibiotics? If so yes hes been on them and also on bute and also on ascorbic acid and still nothings worked. Have asked for a second opinion but someone else mentioned ringing Liverpool uni as they have one of the best equine vets.
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Hiya and Welcome ...

Yes I do mean Antibiotics and mine is on Danilon (equiv of Bute) all the time anyway.

I do hope you can get a 2nd opinion which will be more promising .... from my experience though, Vet's tend to tell you the worse case scenario if they do not know the prognosis.

Please keep us updated and remember we are here to help and support you.
 
Thanks for replying and thanks for kind words. He means the absolute world to me so cant let anything happen to him! Who would of thought a horse would have me (a grown women of 28) crying all day. I will keep updating when i find a vet that can help us!
 
Hi,
Would definately try Leahurst on the Wirral (part of Liverpool University, Philip Leverhulme Equine Hospital) and maybe also the Animal Health Trust at Newmarket (associated with or part of Cambridge University)
Fingers crossed for your poor horse. Good luck!
 
Don't give up. And look at it this way. It's better that your horse is passing urine - albeit constant dribbling - than not passing urine at all!

Keep on at the vets (in a nice way), and do a bit of research on the internet, not to be cleverer than them but so that you have a bit of an idea of the sort of treatment that might be involved etc.

With all best wishes for your horse - and don't worry about crying. We all do it at times. Hope you have nice supportive people to support you.
 
What are you feeding him? Cut everything back to a base maintenance ration . Low protein especialy. NO SUPLEMENTS.Lots of things can irritate the blader other than infections,so try to remove as many possibilities as you can. He wont starve on good hay and water for a few months.
 
Nothing to add, other than best wishes for a speedy recovery for your boy, and there's no shame in the crying, I've cried buckets over the years, let us know how he gets on xx
 
Thankyou all for your kind words and support. I have rang liverpool uni up today and they need my vets to refer him there. I think that could be fairly tricky however i havnt been able to catch my vet in today for an update on him.

In response to other questions, he is normally fed on alfa oil and conditioning mix with an iron suppliment as he is aneamic. however the vet has taken him off all his feed and is just on hay and water now.

I have searched the web far and wide and cant really see that anyone has spoken about that which is quite concerning. The vet said it was quite common in geldings however if theyre at a loss as to what and how to treat it, it cant be that common.

The vet likened his bladder to a baloon that should expand and contract when neccessary, however they said paddys looked like it had been dipped in concrete making it impossible to remove and also impossible to contract when he wees.

sorry for the essay!
 
i'm probably way off the mark but it sounds like calcium deposits , we had a horse that had a similar problem and had to have all calcium out of his diet , definately no alfalfa as this is high in calcium and all chaffs and feed were checked for added calcium , he was treated with antibi's and a diet change , hope things work out as simple for your boy xx
 
fuggly said:
i'm probably way off the mark but it sounds like calcium deposits , we had a horse that had a similar problem and had to have all calcium out of his diet , definately no alfalfa as this is high in calcium and all chaffs and feed were checked for added calcium , he was treated with antibi's and a diet change , hope things work out as simple for your boy xx
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i thought that as I read OP. I've not seen it in a horse but did have a cat with a similar condition, again he improved with a change of diet, after a course of anti-bs
 
Firstly welcome!
I really feel for you (hugs)
I recently had troubles with my pony and my stomach was in knots.
Stay strong, I would phone Liverpool uni as they are very very good also the Royal vet college are superb they helped me, I just rung them and asked for advice and they were great. Ditto Rose Folly, do some research on internet and get some print outs, that's what I did. Don't worry about crying, honestly I was nearly crying on the train as that's when I found out my pony was ill! There's no shame in crying. Everything crossed for you and your boy, keep us updated Xx
 
There is a warning on the Alfa bags saying they can cause stones in eithere the kidney or bladder, can't remember which but I noticed it last week. Might be worth a thought?
 
hello, thankyou for all ur kind words and support. Ive had a shocking weekend, I went to visit my boy and the vet came out to speak to me, basically he was saying that they have done everything in there power now as further catherters and scopes are aggrevating his bladder and and making him sore. They want me to take him home on ascorbic acid and some other things and basically keep everything crossed that i have him for a couple of months or so. They said hes not in pain and hes happy at the mo so keep monitoring him. The vets have spoken to cambridge and they think he has cord equina which is nerve damage to his bladder through his back end, of which there is no cure.

Im gutted and cant help thinking im taking him home to die.

:-(
 
ooh I am so sorry to hear that the news is not better - you must be totally devasted but although only a small comfort at least you have a chance to spend some quality time with him. It sounds as if the vets are not sure of their diagnosis so there may be a small tiny glimmer of hope - is it worth getting him re-scanned in a month if he seems to be happy and improving ?

Thinking of you and your boy x
 
Yeayyyyyyyy I have my big man home. He seems happy at the moment. I have been advised that he needs to be on a very low calcium diet. Next problem....can anyone advise on whats best? He is really poor on keeping weight on and was aneamic a few months ago.

Thanks yet again!

charlotte
 
Big hugs. Get that second opinion, your vets will understand, making referrals at clients'requests is part of their job and if you don't get it you'll always be wondering.

Good luck and keep us posted x
 
chazzie14 said:
hello, thankyou for all ur kind words and support. Ive had a shocking weekend, I went to visit my boy and the vet came out to speak to me, basically he was saying that they have done everything in there power now as further catherters and scopes are aggrevating his bladder and and making him sore. They want me to take him home on ascorbic acid and some other things and basically keep everything crossed that i have him for a couple of months or so. They said hes not in pain and hes happy at the mo so keep monitoring him. The vets have spoken to cambridge and they think he has cord equina which is nerve damage to his bladder through his back end, of which there is no cure. Im gutted and cant help thinking im taking him home to die. :-(
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I think you might mean cauda equina syndrome. it is where the nerves at the end of the spinal cord are compressed which stops the messages going to below the rump. it will make him possilby not know when he needs to wee, will cause him numbness in tail area and hind limbs, muscle weakness. Depends how bad it is. It won't cause the 'concrete' bladder though.
Hope they get to the bottom of it.

ets,,,, although there is no cure as such, nerves can regenerate so it can improve in time. It doesn't mean that it would be the end for him. xx
 
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