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i have got my horse back home and he has been home for about 4 weeks now but he just seems to becoming so rude and justing to walk all over me he got sent away for bronking issues but he has just started doing it again now he has started to bite and some times he even trys to bite my face wot shoudl i do ??
 
Where was he "sent away" to? It sounds like you need some outside help. Have you an instructor or other knowledgable person around?

From your description, it seems your horse doesn't respect and trust you as a leader and is (literally) walking all over you. I suspect you need more support than you can get on a forum.
 
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i have got my horse back home and he has been home for about 4 weeks now but he just seems to becoming so rude and justing to walk all over me he got sent away for bronking issues but he has just started doing it again now he has started to bite and some times he even trys to bite my face wot shoudl i do ??
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Not really sure of a good place to start.

1. How long have you had him? (before he was sent away)
2. How old, breed etc?
3. What type of trainer was he sent too?
4. Did a vet assess him before he was sent away?
5. Who fitted saddle?
6. Where do issues occur? in the stable?
7. Does he get much turnout?
8. How is behaviour in field/outside stable.

He sounds pretty unhappy to me, could be a number of issues.
 
i have had hime for about 10 months now
he is a 5 year old tb x id 17.2hh
he was sent to guy robetsons
yer he has had teeth back ect looked at and vet health check
he has been gettin grode in a westen saddle but r and r fitted a english saddle but bronks in both kinds
bronks are when riding and biting can be any time manily in stable for face and when tied up out side
he goes out every day for about 5 hours
in field all he wants to do is play but the other 2 horses are aot older than him and get pretty fed up so have been biting him and kicking him
when tied up after a while he starts porring at the floor and biting light switch but there is aonther horse at the side that always trying to bite him while he is out side tied up to

i am 24 year old and been around horses most of my life but this horse i have never coem across he is just so not chilled but when doing ground work he has loads of respect for me its just when on and now sometimes in stable and tied up
 
My TB can be a bit like this. We've done a lot of groundwork which has helped a lot. I used to have problems with him barging/ rearing when being led, and I found that a 'Be Nice' headcollar worked wonders. If he's not in any pain he essentially needs to learn that you're the boss, and the only way to achieve this is to teach him.

I'd start with loads of ground work - take him in the school (or quiet area of a field) and just work with him. Make him stand still, if he fidgets and doesn't listen or barges,send him backwards, as soon as he goes back, reward. I also find doing a lot of lunging helps as it teaches him the basic voice commands.

It will take time, trust me, but if you work at it it should improve :)
 
Sounds to me like he needs to work - did they work him every day while he was away and since he's been back you do a bit less/ don't have anyone on hand for moral support while you're riding? A youngster that size needs good thinking time, most days IME.

Also 5 hours a day turnout really isn't a lot for a big youngster with a lot of energy. Can you change to have him out overnight?
 
this is the thing are ground work is 101 % he listens to me all the way when he got sent away they said he doesnt learn realy quick we took him bck to basics and he has been fab even with riding realy listening but only doing walk gettting him flexing out and that then other day i got on and he started trotting and then boom 3 bronks and when he goes he goes for gold but after he ran towards the gate to run out but cause shut he just stood there then walked bck over to say ooops i shouldnt have done this i dotn no what was different that day to any other day last think i wanted was for that to happen

we arent allowed them to stay out over night even if was i dont realy do it due to alot of people taking horses

i ran my fingers down his back and he put his head right high so think he is a little sore now

i just wish they could talk to us
 
I agree about the turnout - that would be a good place to start if you can? 24/7 for a horse with bags of energy is best but I realise its not always possible. Would you consider a different yard?

Do you have a regular instructor and if so then what does he/she say? Sounds like you have sussed out a sore back, that would make him buck and be pretty grumpy too.

Can you try a different saddle fitter? some of them are pretty awful! we have a mare in our yard who became pretty impossible...poor thing was so sore.
 
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yer bronked while away cause i thought it was just me or my way of riding but then when he did it i new it wasnt just me

no i dont have any one els just me but i have just rang an ridign ins up for help

the thing is he is so predictable and gets your conferdents right up them crash its gone just like that

i have someone comign out to do a thermal image on him i just want the best for him
 
Ok well I hope it goes well, sounds like you are on the right track...trust your instincts, if you think he is in pain then dont let any instructor tell you different without more than one opinion.

Sounds like you really like him, he is only 5 and sounds like he is uncomfortable. Be prepared that he might need some time off to recover physically and mentally.

Good luck.
 
i realy do like him and dont want to fail him cause all his life up to me getting him is been past from pillow to post and people hitting him and i have people saying get rid but i wanna show them he is something and not just a horse with issues
 
I lung him and he is 101% chilled respectful listning to me even to the stage where I put him near the mouting bloke and he waiting i can usly tell when he is tense but that day i didn't even get my bum in the set and he trotted off and did 3 bronks and he a little bit big to be doing them lol. But I always lung befor rid I lung him for about 30 mins so he is warmed up
 
I have been in A&E from a bite to my knee and my chap has also bitten my boob ! (yes, ouch !) I have had him 6 years and he has only done it twice in that time but he is mouthy and can be rude if allowed to get away with it.

But, he significantly improves with work - he suddenly listens to me and is polite - the best he has been is when he was hunting for a couple of months - turned into the best mannered horse !

I would suggest (if you can) 24 hours turnout preferably with others who will play with him to get rid of some energy ...and more work . Also avoid tying him anywhere that another horse can threaten him and if possible keep him away from other horses who will attack him in the field.

You will get there but it may take a few changes - be v careful about the biting - esp. if he is going for your face - it hurts believe me and 18 months on my knee still has a slight lump and is bit bruised.
 
If he stopped doing it when he was away but has started again then I'd say it is a management/handling issue. What feed are you giving him? Some horses get their brains blown on very little.

I'd get the initial trainer to work with you at home and run through your management, I agree that 5 hours turnout probably is nowhere near enough for him.
 
No he was like it when I he was there withh the bronking the biteing has stopped since I am putting arnica gel n him n seems to be alittle more settled going to see on friday wot the thermal images come bck as
 
I think the thermal imaging is the best way to see if the issues are physical. At least you will have a starting point. If it turns out that there is no pain issue, then I would be getting the trainer out to help you.

I usually find independent saddle fitters better than those employed by a shop who tend to be more interested in a sale!
 
So then you have two seperate problems? The broncing and the biting.

The biting sounds really easily solved tbh, just don't tie him up where this other horse can bite him! Horse bites him, he bites you...chain of command!

I do think there must be some groundwork issues there though for him to actually snap at you, it is dominance, so I would keep at the groundwork, and as I say, take away the stimulus and keep yourself out of harms way.

Regarding the bucking, it's something would really need to see to understand what is going on, hopefully the instructor can help with that. Who's idea was it that he come home from the training place if he was still doing it?

Otherwise, I would want him turned out much longer than 5 hours. 19 hours standing in a stable? That would get anyone tetchy!
 
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Definitely back what others are saying about turnout. A lot of horses would not cope with just 5 hours out. Personally I would be moving him to somewhere that can provide that first and foremost. Otherwise possible causes are pain, too rich a diet and lack of training and lack of friends his own age. Hope you sort this out but really do increase his turnout that makes such a massive difference to so many horses.
 
Just remembered, there is a lady called Kathryn Sands in your area who is a physio and idependent saddle fitter. It might be worth giving her a call if it turns out to be a saddle issue.
 
The trainers idea to bring him home told use he couldn't. Do much more with I will see what these thermal images bring and then take to next step
 
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