Please please advise - sorry long

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Okay i guess id better start from the beginning. Ive 4 wonderful horses, 1 x thoroughbred and 3 x cob (cobs are all mine lol, tb is DHs). Anyway we had been at a brillant livery yard but was closing down as the guy was moving. So we started looking for a field or another yard.

My cousins boyfriend offered to put them at his friends place until i could find something permanent. All they could offer was a field, so thought it would be a nice wee holiday for them anyway.

Well i gave the guy money to pass on for livery, he kept saying that we didnt owe any as we had done plenty of favours for them. Also to say thank you to him i gave him a couple of new rugs for his horses, also wormers and £30. I was up every day with them, he told me i didnt have to but i love being with them

One day i arrived up and the horses werent there, panic set in and i called him. He said that the guy said to move them as he needed the field, so he had took them to another friends house. I asked to see them but everytime we arranged to meet him he wouldnt turn up.

I called my cousin who also tried to find out where they were but he wouldnt tell her. Now we knew this guy for nearly 2 years, when we first moved the horses he would call at ours most nights for a wee chat and to see our baby. We were also moving house at the time and i was packing things up. Our TBs passport was in the living room, when he left the passport couldnt be found, i called him but he said he didnt lift it, so tought it must have been packed already.

I phoned him yesterday, have been trying to get in touch with him for a while but wasnt answering the phone or was never at the house. He told me to f off, that what i owed him for livery was over the cost of what the horses are worth. That they were at deaths door when he took them from our livery yard (this is bull), that he spent over £500 on wormers on them. This is also bull, they were wormed one month before they left the yard, i do them every 3 months. Although i couldnt get to see them i didnt stop responsibility for their keep. I left him wormers, left money for haylage and feed. Hes more or less hinted that the horses are sold now, told him i was going to the police and he laughed saying i was a stupid b***h, that they would do f all. The other sickening thing is that my cousin offered to look after my tack etc while we moved house, we never got that back either! He then admitted that he had the tb's passport and that made him the legal owner, we couldnt prove otherwise.

Phoned the police (yesterday) who are investigating it, waiting for them to come up to take the pictures i have of the horses. Gave them both his mobile number and hers (they have no landline). I feel sick and i cant stop crying, these horses are everything to me. Id never be bad to them, now hes telling people that they were in really bad condition.

I cant even go and see my cousins mum who i was really close to (thought i was close to my cousin too!), i cant stand the fact of bumping into them. Also hes been very threatening to me. I have since found out that he stole my cousins horse and car, sold them on her and kept the money for himself.

Yous might call me heartless or stupid, but now i kind of feel bad, my cousins granny died last night, she was very close to her. My dh keeps saying 'Did she help us when she knew that he was capable of selling her horse'. Thinking back, no she didnt help us much. The guy told me that my cousin showed him the messages i sent her asking for things back. Dont know if that is true. It also means i cant go to the funeral, i had told the police that he had been threatening and they said to try to avoid him, i dont want to see him away.

Thing is, will the police take this seriously. If i have to i will take it to court, got a solictor on standby. Would i get my horses back? What would happen to him. I will truely be sickened if he gets off with this!! He said that i owe him so much for livery that the value of the horses dont even cover it! Oh yeah, i didnt approach him about a field/yard, he came and said to me

Nicola xx
 
I am really sorry to hear you are in such a terrible situation I can't offer any advice and I really really do hope everything gets sorted and you get your neddies back.
 
That is just awful. I am so sorry to here that about your horses. I cant believe people can do things like that, especially family. I really really hope you manage to get your horses back. Don't give up!!!!
 
The police should take it seriously it's theft ! I would seek legal advice ASAP - even before the police get back to you. Have you any idea where the horses are now ? Are there any people at the old livery yard that can confirm the police that they are yours ?
 
Really sorry to hear of your dilema - however - he does not have a leg to stand on ! Unless you have literature from him with the word livery as a heading , he can not claim the horses as payment for any 'unpaid' bills. Get a good solicitor who knows Equine related Law, and take him to the cleaners. BHS , BE , BD might be able to advise re Lawers - otherwise post on forum site for suggestions . Good luck
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I was in touch with our vet who said he would confirm they were mine and in perfect condition, so did the farrier. I called the solictor who said to wait until the police get back to me, as they might be enough to scare him into giving the horses back.

I really want them back, id give anything to have them back. What makes me think they are sold is that i offered to give money for livery but he said there was no point now
 
If he has sold them on - you should still be able to get them back as they are still legally yours. It's just finding them !! It's the poor person who might have bought them that will get stumped ! When did this all happen ?
 
The horses were moved about 3 months ago, stayed at his mates for about 4 weeks. At this stage we were moving house and he even helped us!

Found out hes 'mates' with a couple of dodgy boys who buy and sell. They are like traveller folk (im in northern ireland). He took my cousins horses to swatragh, dont know if any of yous are from here but its where people go to sell cheap horses, half end up as dog food.

What is also really annoying me is that he sold my cousins stuff BEFORE he helped us with our horses.

My DH is fuming, he wont leave me in the house alone as he had threatened to come 'sort us out' lol

DH said he will either get the horses or the money for them, tried explaining that it doesnt work that way. That we may end up with nothing. This is why i will be annoyed if he gets off scot free
 
First thing is to get in touch with horsewatch so that they list your horses as stolen.

http://www.stolenhorseregister.com/

http://www.ukhorsewatch.org.uk/

If your horses are freezemarked then inform Farmkey or whoever freezemarked them. (If not get them freezemarked on their shoulders once you get them back).

Instruct a firm of solicitor that specialises in equine matters.

http://www.richmondsolicitors.co.uk/

Report the matter to the police and ask them to give you an incident number. This will ensure that it has been logged in to your system.
 
Do you know where this guy lives??

Sit in a car outside his house and follow him (using a car that he doesn't know)....
 
Where does this guy live.

Sit in a car outside his house and follow him (using a car that he doesn't know)....

Ring the police back today - and as others have said, get an incident number - and also ask them what they are doing about it?

Keep hastling them.
 
dont give up!!! Call a horsey lawyer there are some in the back of Horse and Hound and get them involved this does happen and is terrible. Big hug for you dont give up
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Thank you everyone, i havent bought horse and hound in a while, it might seem silly but i cant bare to look at a horse. My friends have offered for me to go ride their horse, but i just cant.

My young cob is 3, hes gelded, black and white. I had broke him just before we left the yard. Hes was my special baby. Had him since he was a foal was with a home that knew nothing about horses. He has a special place in my heart, he was the first horse i broke (was under full supervision), he didnt buck or anything. Started walking sidewards and then forwards. Was done in a few days.

The tb is dark bay, hes got a few distinguishing features. Hes got white withers as previous owner used a badly fitting saddle. Hes also got a lump under his chin caused by a thorn, was being cared for by a vet. Also he cant neigh as he used to be a racehorse and his voicebox was removed.

Ive no pictures on this computer, but im trying to upload the last recording i had of them. When i got out of hospital after having my son, my DH would go to the yard and record the horses running about in the arena. Was lovely to watch
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