POA?

I agree, and I would never belittle myself to put myself in such a position. Pride is a great thing, wether it stands in the way of a great horse or not, so be it. LOL

From the 'Just dont bother to ask/guess the price' clique LOL
 
"well that must be where we differ. people with the money/skill to deal with me should hopefully not mind the POA."

That is just a tad arrogant as a statement. Does it take a particular amount of skill and money to deal with you then?
 
Kirsty, I advertised her in about july/august time, had various people come and try her, and a few try and knock her price down. I even had someone come and try her and ask if I'd let her go to them on loan to be used as their teaching schoolmistress. I did laugh at this im afraid. We even had a couple who quite obviously only came along, to have a ride on Dolly.
We couldnt really budge on price as we had another one sitting waiting that we needed to buy.
But due to not having anyone i liked to look at her (alhough i needed to sell, she wasnt going to someone i disliked) we decided to keep her for a while. And 4 weeks later we were in Athens with her.
I then went to work one day and came home to find my mother had sold her to someone down the road. and the rest as they say is history.
I regret ever letting her go where she went, but i needed to go to Oz have Geneve etc. so in some respects it was the right thing for me, not for her necesarily.
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bex but horses arnt like cars there is no such thing as a book telling you exactly what each model of horse is worth if its got x, y and z.
Price with horses is relative.
I know for a fact that i wouldnt pay 8k or more for a novice show cob, but some people will happily pay that. I wouldnt pay more then 1k for a happy hacker but some people will happily spend 6k. I wouldnt give 20p for a shetland and thier price in markets reflects alot of peoples similar feelings on this, but some shetland have sold for 3k.
 
I ignore POA add's as I assume the horses are really expensive.
I don't think it is easy to judge an experenced horses worth, although I am not an expert. Obviousaly the seller is out to sell the horse, and knows how much they want for it, but some buyers do buy on whim, especialy if they are going to get someone else to ride it.
For example Tangleman was up for sale recently, and although the horse has a great record, he also has alot of miles on the clock and is knocking on a bit. I couldn't guess how much he would be worth, but if he'd have had a price on the ad I might have thought 'hmm, maybe it would nice to be an owner at Badders this year'! Do you see what I mean? Some people have money in the bank, but it's not bottomless, and don't want to feel a fool if they ring up.
 
I don't ring up if the advert says POA - I generally think that it wil be out of my price range and I wonder if the price might vary according to who is asking. Having said that I don't buy often!
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I have to disagree with you on this one. Everything has a market value. The fact that people will pay more is irrelevant.

Bert is not worth anything near what I paid for him, the fact that to me he is priceless and worth every penny does not change his market value. In fact if I were to sell him I would definately loose money.
 
Bex yes but with horses it isntr so easy to define. some horses are worth more in the south of england then in the north. Also market value what defines it?
I bought a pony at a market for £800, i could have very easily have gone home trimmed him up and advertised him in the H&H for 3k, so what was he worth? 800 his value at a market or 3k his value to the H&H readers?

Whats the value for a 12hh perfectly safe pony who can also adapt to be a 2nd pony? its cartainly more then £250 which i paid for mine at an auction!
 
youve also got to figure in potential.

a car is a car, its year, model and exactly what it can do are all fixed, its milage is supposedly fixed as well. there is no possibility of it becoming a better car then what it is already, but some people will pay alot for potential in a horse. how much is potential worth and who defines it? if you look at a horse whos currently advertised for 2k but you personaly dont think it is worth that so you wont pay that but if somebody sees potential in it then they may pay that or more! so who judges its market value the person who sees the potentail or the person that doesnt?
How do you judge milage on a horse?
 
I dislike POA. Firstly I think for the most part its pretentious. Might not be how its intended but it always comes across to me as that. As though in some way the horse is too good to have the price admitted to the general public.

I'd also assume the horse was out of my budget, and descriptions might give an idea, but some people would price the same horse very differently so its impossible to tell.

I would also find it embarrassing to call up and be told the horse was too expensive for me.
 
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sorry...but when I read this thread I thought it was about POA Ponies! (pony of the Americas)

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I suppose If I saw a horse ad that stated POA I would assume they were selling one of those!

What does POA stand for to you all?
Price on arrival?????
 
I generally don't call adverts which don't mention the area the horse is in, those with really bad pictures (my logic being that if they thunk it's a good picture they are clearly deluded and will waste my time) - and I never ever call about animals which are POA. Total waste of my time, if people can't be upfront about price then I can't be bothered to spend time talking to them. Having said that, in Glamourdol's situation I would be in complete agreement, but since I've never bought or sold a horse for more than £5k can't see myself having that as an issue
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Simple, if people can't be upfront and honest on something as small as the price of a horse.... what else do they want to hide?

if they can't be bothered to be upfront I can't be bothered to phone. There are plenty of adverts for people to phone up without wasting time on one where the price isnt included.

Some people have a budget and would feel foolish phoning up about ahorse then finding out they couldnt afford it.
You wouldnt view a house without knowing it's price... nor a car.
 
i like to see the price...so i don't waste the sellers time, my time ringing and asking.

my Dad always taught me "if you need to ask, you can't afford it"!!
 
I did not mean that the model and mileage is transferred to judge the value of a horse
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Every horse has a market worth. A 12hh bomb proof pony has the same value as another bomb proof 12hh pony if all other factors are identical. That is then the market value.

Not everything is sold at market value, such as your pony in the sale, that is how people get bargains. there will always be things over and under priced dependant on many things including the sellers position. As you have said you can tidy up a bargain priced pony/horse and sell it on for it's market value........ Same goes for rennovating a house, tarting up a car. If there were no bargains to be had and improvements to be made, people wouldn't make money by bringing on or producing horses.

I am not trying to say that a 3yr old NF Gelding pony is worth the same as another 3 yr old NF gelding. All sorts of things affect the market value, such as if it is backed and ridden away, temprement, conformation etc. but there still is one.

If there was absolutely no average market value people would not be able to answer the "how much" posts.......
 
Wouldn't ring out of principle - even if I got a fat advance and record deal. I'd have my business head on and prefer straight talking and knowing where the land lies before ringing!
 
I would rather know the price before ringing, otherwise I would be on the phone all day and it would cost me more in phone bills.

I don't deny that POA horses can be anything from £500-10,000, but it just makes life easier to know what the score is from the start armed with as much info as possible.

You wouldn't sell a car without price on it.
 
POA really annoys me. It makes me think straight away that the seller is going to be a complete nightmare to deal with. I have phoned a few up when I was looking and the first thing I asked so that I didn't waste my time dealing with the pathetic owner was 'how much is it?'

Usually these horses were horrendously overpriced and I to would have been embarassed to put the price on the add.

If you are trying to sell horses at £5k and are sticking POA on the advert you are losing an awful lot of potential buyers as they are all probably thinking the same thing as me.
 
I have learnt something from this thread!!!

I have never phoned a POA advert because I assume the horse is up for big money and I would be about the 10,000th person wasting the sellers time by calling to find out.

In future I will phone those ads in the hope that some of them may well be reasonably priced.

The seller needs to be prepared to have a lot of calls saying "WHAT? ,,YOU WANT HOW MUCH"?? PMSL
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Do you get any like that BTW?
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If you are trying to sell horses at £5k and are sticking POA on the advert you are losing an awful lot of potential buyers as they are all probably thinking the same thing as me.

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I agree with that statement!!! If i was looking for another horse to buy then that would be in my price range but i wouldn't ring it up as i would just assume that the horse was way over my budget and i would also be too embarrassed to ring up and get told that as well. How belittling (sp) is that???

To be honest i dont even look at ads with POA on them i just skim past them coz i am not interested in wasting my time or phone bill just to get laughed at!!

I agree that if it was an international SJer etc then i would expect to see it on there but not an ametures horse
 
WELL this has been a VERY GOOD MARKETING TOOL for me as a Stud Farm who sells young horses and foals..................I never realised that people were so "anti" POA adverts.

I NEVER advertise prices on my website or in any adverts, and I can assure you that it has nothing to do with the horses being huge amounts of money, or I am hiding anything......as people can come to the Stud and see for themselves.

For me it is the privacy factor of people knowing my business (especially sometimes in the horse world) and also the fact that I like to keep the financial aspect confidential between me and the buyer. If the horse is then subsequently sold the buyer can then disclose to anyone they wish what they paid for the horse/youngster/foal.

It is a shame that the majority of people who have posted on this thread would not bother with a POA advert, as you may be missing out on something which is within your budget but perhaps people like to work privately, but I can also see your point of view of wanting to know what price people are asking for their horses.

A POA advert would never stop me phoning or emailing, you just have to ask the question "what is the price you are looking for this horse".......the person selling does not know whether you have that amount of funds or not.

Just a few months ago I was contacted by a German lady who heard I was possibly looking for a new breeding mare. I asked her what prices they started at and within my brain I FELL OVER when she told me the prices "started" at around 25-30,000 euros!! I just said to her that these mares although they sounded VERY nice were outwith my budget at this time.

I never felt awkward about being honest, nor did she, but she realised that I was not going to take it any further.

I have to say that I know what prices I look for in my foals etc, but for me what is also important is speaking to the person who is interested in that foal and weighing up the home the foal will be going to, and the majority of the time I will "come and go" on the price depending on this.

Due to the way I work with people this is why we have so many that come back to us time and again.

ALSO I would never sell a dud horse because at the end of the day I have a good repuation to keep up, and I would rather have clients come back and use us again rather than trying to make a "fast buck".

When we sell a foal or youngster we invite the new owners to come and see them whenever they want, even without an appointment, as we have nothing to hide. If they purchase them through pictures or video alone (which the majority have done) then we keep them uptodate on the foals progress until time of weaning, so they are kept fully aware of what is happening.

So for anyone out there who has been on our website or seen one of our adverts.....PLEASE DONT BE PUT OFF IF WE DONT ADVERTISE THE PRICE.....
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It certainly is a big learning curve for a lot of us.
Great place HHO!!
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I wonder if it would help if for someone like yourself advertising several animals if you said something like "Prices starting from,,,,"

If the prices started from an amount I could afford, then I came to your yard and saw what I could get for a few quid more, I may be more inclined to go over my budget (If I could) and go for what I felt was the better foal/horse?

Just a thought.
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QR - Could also mean the sller doesnt want the tax man or the business rates people knowing the price!
I know a few people who have had their business rates raised due to info they have put on the internet.

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REALLY? CRIKEY!!!
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I learn more and more.
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I think those that dont at least phone are missing out on some very good ponies who thier owners just want a good home for.

If i hadnt phoned a POA advert then i wouldnt have my superstar pony! yes some people do put silly prices on, but if your phoning round you should have an idea of what that sort of horse/pony goes for anyway and stick to your budget.
I see no embarrasment in admitting i cant afford a 20k horse as its alot of money and the sellers will be aware that not everyone who phones will have that sort of money!

personaly i think your all mad, if i like the look of an advert that doesnt have the height in it i will phone up and ask the height, if it doesnt have an age i will phone up and ask and if it doesnt have a price phone up and ask! its not that bad, and if its the first question you ask each phone call will take less then a minute if the horse is to expensive,it will there for cost less the 7p a phone call or something silly like that and for the cost of 7p you could be missing out on a cheap superstar!
 
Bonzabean, funnily enough after reading the thread I was starting to think about that. Especially since I have gone and put ads onto Horsemart this week.

This would never have occured to me at all until it was posted on HHO!!

BTW Conniegirl........just love your signature, ha ha ha
 
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