POA?

When I'm looking for a horse, I expect the advert have as much relevant info on it as possible. Unless the horse sounded truly fantastic and perfect, there are so many adverts and so many horses, that one that is going to be extra time, hassle and possibly embarrassment isn't going to hold my attention.

On a website "prices starting from £x" or "prices between x and x" would be okay, because at least it would give the viewer an approximate idea.

The problem with the horse market is that its so subjective when it comes to cost - so some people will advertise a horse for £2500 and someone else will advertise same horse for £8000! I just don't have time for people who aren't upfront about the price, unless I was looking for a world class superstar and had an unlimited budget.

I wouldn't do it, simply because I know how many people it puts off even enquiring. That leads me to think that for the most part people doing it only want people with deep pockets to enquire, and as thats not me, no point.
 
Houses are almost never POA - it generally means somewhere more than £10 million - they are much more expensive than horses. Most people can look at a house and work out an approximate value (and land registry can tell them exactly what was paid).

Now is this because everyone (give or take the limited number of houses under the SDLT threshold - which still have to declare I think) has to pay tax on the purchase of land.

I am very unlikely to go into a clothes shop that doesn't have prices relating for the clothes in the window - it is a useful clue, and unless I was planning on buying a rare care (Ferrari Enzo or similar) there is no way I would enquire on a POA car. So I instinctively think that a horse should be similar (e.g. experienced 3/4* eventing, GP dressage or international standard SJ). Incidentally I think that Jade Lazenby's ride Over the Blue Moon (possibly) was for sale in H&H with a substatial price recently - not POA.

Would never ask someone what they got for sold horse, or car - house I'd just look on the land registry site!
 
I'd never reply to a POA advert, the old saying 'if you have to ask the price you can't afford it' would be my guide. 5k isn't that much - I'd assume you wanted 15k+, even if the horse obviously wasn't worth it, if you put that in. Doesn't annoy me to see it but I'd never follow an ad without the price up.
 
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I still don't get it though. You like the horse. You don't like the ad. You ignore a perfectly good horse?

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I simply look for the price first and never even get as far as worrying whether I like the horse much or not. Probably hardly read the ad. There are too many out there to read all of them anyway.
 
OK...........you see the following advert, and I have omitted any names or references so I dont get into trouble with Admin:

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Outstanding chesnut filly foal with a fantastic pedigree - coming from the famous KWPN "Loma Mare Line" that has produced numerous international jumping and dressage horses, as well as Approved KWPN stallions. She has some of the top performing KWPN stallions in his pedigree - Flemmingh, Ferro, Nimmerdor and Purioso to name only a few. Her sire ******* is a ******* Stallion with the ***** who was imported from Holland as a foal. He has the most exceptional uphill supple movement and at his grading at a 2 year old, top Dutch judge and stallion owner stated that he was an "International Dressage Prospect". ****** has not been competed yet due to his busy stallion duties, but will make his competition debut in 2007.

The dam "******" competed up to 1.20m before retiring to stud and is closely related to the International showjumping mare OPPORTUNITY B ridden by Helen Tredwell for Team GB. ******** has already produced 1st Premium foals graded by the KWPN. Her dam ******** competes at Medium level dressage, while her grand dam ********** was ranked as one of the top showjumping breeding mares in the UK several years ago. This mare line is full of predicates - Ster, Keur, Preferent and Prestatie.

********* is an exquisite filly with excellent conformation, that moves with much elegance and very uphill. She has an active hind leg and uses her foreleg very well for such a young age. She is a very modern type with very long legs and very beautiful head. She has a fabulous nature and is very friendly.

This filly is sure to excel in any discipline and would also make a valuable breeding mare for the future. Further pictures and video are available, also visitors are most welcome. £POA

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So you are on the lookout for a foal and see the above advert (that has pictures attached), you like the look of the pictures but it says POA. Do you phone or not?

If you do not phone because you think its expensive, how much would you be thinking of paying? (I know I am going to regret this last sentence but it will be interesting to see the responses.....
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Did I get any like that? Yes, in truth. About 3 times for an expensive pony. SO yes, it has its disadvantages.
Yes, I think I've learnt something. I may not understand it..but useful if considering selling.
What about no price? Most adds in our local paper have no price at all. Maybe the trend is different over here?
I'll give you another scenario, I'll be selling a novice eventer at the end of the year. He will be cheap as he won't pass a vetting with flying colours, he's sound etc. but if I put a price on, people are going to think what's wrong with that, and not bother ringing IMO
 
because it is complicated and will certainly put people off as they won't know what it is(it's medical)
But he won't be advertised with price either anyway so.....
 
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I'll give you another scenario, I'll be selling a novice eventer at the end of the year. He will be cheap as he won't pass a vetting with flying colours, he's sound etc. but if I put a price on, people are going to think what's wrong with that, and not bother ringing IMO

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Yes, I know what you are saying.
Perhaps both sides of the fence have learnt something here.

Sellers perhaps need to put "POA, not scary money, HONEST"!!
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Buyer needs to not assume a cheap horse is useless nor is a POA ad an expensive horse!!

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I dont get it I'm afraid. If you are trying to sell something why would you want to conceal the price? It does not make any sort of sense at all. If it is a dealer doing it I think its even more stupid. There is absolutely no business sense in paying to adertise something for sale and not publishing the price.
Most people have a budget to work too and they look for items within that budget. Why waste a potential clients time and money by forcing him to make an unnecessary call?
 
Anastasia - we seem to be in a tiny minority here, but I agree with you! I would certainly ring up a 'POA' ad if I liked the look of the horse.

But then I rang people up about a colt I had been recommended that I knew was quite emphatically Not For Sale, insisted on going to see him even though they told me he was Not For Sale about 16 times, fell in love with him and then spent ages begging and pleading with them to let me buy him.... I got him in the end!
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P.S. IMO a lot of the very best horses are never even advertised for sale. If I were looking for a special foal I would contact the studs/breeders I like best, ask to visit and try to persuade them to sell me the best foal I could find...
 
Haven't read all the replies to be honest but would say that with ANYTHING I am considering buying from Cars to Houses to Horses if it does not state the price I pass the advert by. If you want to sell something put the price, I always think that when people do not put it up front they are a bit embarrassed by the amount and automatically assume it will be too high.
 
I myself do not ring for POA.

All horses have a market value- which either though is not an exact science it is a suitable gauge as to what the going rate is. If a horse is ACTUALLY worth ££££ then I am sure the sellers wouldn't be so bashful as to disclosing this.

I do think it is quite offensive to think that we all gawp at large prices and "Truth, you can't handle the truth!"
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