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I might get a row for posting this as I have no idea who the girl is, nor permission etc, but i noticed in the photos from peak, that someone wearing a point2 vest took a tumble and the photo sequence very clearly shows the air vest in action, how far she had to be from the horse, the force that the lanyard took to pull, as it hitched up her vest and number before going off. She was some way from the saddle actually her feet had hit the ground before it inflated..
 
Lanyard looks rather long doesnt it - thats really the only problem. Mind you if this had been a 'proper' fall it would still have done the job before her body hit the floor.
 
Yes, Rach its 100% adjustable & I would recommend everybody who has got one takes it along the Point 2 stand to get it fitted correctly to themselves & their saddles as getting it wrong makes the whole thing pretty pointless. There tends to be a stand at most events at the moment.
 
I noticed these photos before, but the thing is, it shows no reflection of the speed of the fall etc etc, the faster you fall the more force pulls on the lanyard, and this fall looks pretty slow to me, as the horse and rider is at a standstill only a few strides after the jump.
 
Whatever the speed of the fall the jacket is designed to be used so that the lanyard is activated within a short distance of the saddle, not when you are kneeling on the ground beside the horse. That's akin to buying an expensive hat and then riding with the straps undone.
 
yeah, but what is the weight that sets off the jacket? as i'm sure they do warn you that if people lighter than Xstone, if they are not falling with force/speed, not necessarily be heavy enough to set it off?
 
Did anyone notice Alex Hua Tian jump off at the end of Badders without undoing his lanyard and his jacket not inflate? He's not exactly small, and his horse is not exactly tiny....
 
Does the lanyard work like a seatbelt then? In that a seatbelt will only lock if pulled suddenly and not slowly?
 
The problem is that what if the horse was to fall on you, most likely you are still going to be very close to the saddle or still in it when you hit the ground so therefore it may not go off so in a situation like that it wouldn't really protect you either? I don't know much about them but surely this is the case as proven by the photos. They are a good idea and it can only be a good thing but I think IMO its a lot of money and is yet to be beta approved :O
 
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Just out of interest, does anyone know of any rotational falls where the lanyard didn't break?

Oli T's fall worried my because he fell with the horse and remained close to ACM as they fell but his lanyard did in fact break and the jacket inflated in time to protect him from the impact.
 
MontyandZoom said:
Just out of interest, does anyone know of any rotational falls where the lanyard didn't break?

Oli T's fall worried my because he fell with the horse and remained close to ACM as they fell but his lanyard did in fact break and the jacket inflated in time to protect him from the impact.
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See i think looking at the images it didn't break until after he hit the floor
 
looks very muck like the lanyard was far to long.... unfortunately i believe to be the only pit fall of any product is that they rely on the user to use/fit it properly. very much the same as buying a very expensive hat and riding with it undone!! (or not fastened tightly enough)
although if you look at the pictures again then you'll notice that the point two is inflated before any part of the body could be kicked even though her feet touched the ground first. i am very much in favour of these jackets and believe that there are many many more good example than bad
 
sorry wasn't commenting on oli's fall but that also was both close and v lucky!!! Looks like he hit floor and inflated before he took full blow of horse????
 
twizz said:
sorry wasn't commenting on oli's fall but that also was both close and v lucky!!! Looks like he hit floor and inflated before he took full blow of horse????
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Agreed. I don't know whether it inflated before he hit the ground but it certainly inflated before the horse crashed on top of him which was the most dangerous part of the fall.
 
RomanyMayday said:
The problem is that what if the horse was to fall on you, most likely you are still going to be very close to the saddle or still in it when you hit the ground so therefore it may not go off so in a situation like that it wouldn't really protect you either? I don't know much about them but surely this is the case as proven by the photos. They are a good idea and it can only be a good thing but I think IMO its a lot of money and is yet to be beta approved :O
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That's exactly why you need to make sure the lanyard is adjusted correctly. In the photos shown the lanyard is NOT correctly adjusted.

BETA approval covers thickness and coverage of foam - so not appropriate in the case of the Point Two. It's not, as has been suggested, that the Point Two failed testing just that there is no appropriate standard to test it to!
 
jemima_too said:
That's exactly why you need to make sure the lanyard is adjusted correctly. In the photos shown the lanyard is NOT correctly adjusted.
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but surely if your horse falls on you and you are very close to the saddle or still in it, which is often the case, the length of the lanyard wouldn't make a difference?

jemima_too said:
BETA approval covers thickness and coverage of foam - so not appropriate in the case of the Point Two. It's not, as has been suggested, that the Point Two failed testing just that there is no appropriate standard to test it to!
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Thanks for clarifying, as I had previously heard that they had failed. Do you know if they have undergone other tests?
 
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Saratoga said:
Did anyone notice Alex Hua Tian jump off at the end of Badders without undoing his lanyard and his jacket not inflate? He's not exactly small, and his horse is not exactly tiny....
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So he either didnt create enough force to trigger it or the mechanism was faulty?
I have to say that is one of the reasons why im not yet convinced- they recalled a part last year because of problems. IMO it should have been tested more thoroughly before allowing riders to be out there wearing the jackets with a faulty part. And if people didnt get their jacket directly from point 2, so werent contacted for the recall, there could possibly still be people out there riding with a dodgy part :(

with regards to OTs fall- FWIW my opinion is the jacket inflated as the horse got up. At the point of impact i think OT was too close to the saddle for the lanyard to release.
 
jemima_too said:
That's exactly why you need to make sure the lanyard is adjusted correctly. In the photos shown the lanyard is NOT correctly adjusted.
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But you don't adjust the lanyard...?? I got a Point2 a few weeks ago and i specifically asked how to adjust it, and was told that it is now one size fits all, as too many people were doing it wrong.
I got told they are all just sold now with a standard lanyard which is 'Mary King' length
 
OK, I'm an "early adopter" so I have the old style adjustable lanyard then.

Right just checked the website. It appears that now the bungee lanyard is not adjustable but the strap that attaches it to the stirrups is. Anyone work out which type the girl in the pics is using?
 
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