police attacked by dog *vid, contents may upset.

Clearly non of you have actually been attack by a dog before or seen the strength even a very small agressive dog possesses!! People do not realize how dangerous dogs can be! Scruffing a dog will not help in any way either would beating it with a batton unless you were to knock it out which would be nearly impossible due to the thick skulls they have! At best all they can do is watch and stay out the way untill they could shoot it. Police dog handles are trained to handle and train police dogs, not to cope with dangerously out of control chav dogs!! My thoughts go out to those police officers ... I hope they make a full recovery. Untill people realize any breed of dog can be a dangerous dog.... Not just pit bull types!! Owner need to be responsable for there dogs behaviour and training. If they can't manage they should never be allowed to own a dog again and be put in jail for a long time!! This may deter people from keeping them in the first place.... I know many dogs that should be put down or wear muzzles when walking and be kept on a lead but nobody seem to care till its too late and somebody has been savaged!!
Rant over!
 
little MJ said:
Clearly non of you have actually been attack by a dog before or seen the strength even a very small agressive dog possesses!! People do not realize how dangerous dogs can be! Scruffing a dog will not help in any way either would beating it with a batton unless you were to knock it out which would be nearly impossible due to the thick skulls they have! At best all they can do is watch and stay out the way untill they could shoot it. Police dog handles are trained to handle and train police dogs, not to cope with dangerously out of control chav dogs!! My thoughts go out to those police officers ... I hope they make a full recovery. Untill people realize any breed of dog can be a dangerous dog.... Not just pit bull types!! Owner need to be responsable for there dogs behaviour and training. If they can't manage they should never be allowed to own a dog again and be put in jail for a long time!! This may deter people from keeping them in the first place.... I know many dogs that should be put down or wear muzzles when walking and be kept on a lead but nobody seem to care till its too late and somebody has been savaged!!
Rant over!
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I think Cayla and myself object to the "none of you" phrase,out of curiousity ..how about you ?
 
I am sorry may be none of you, is the wrong wording. Yes in fact I have to deal with aggressive dogs most days we even put aggressive dogs to sleep for the local council. To tell you the truth I am totally fed up of dealing with dangerous dogs and the chav owners. It's about time something was done about this. I do understand it wouldn't be easy.
Sorry once again if I offended anyone that wasn't my intention.
 
little MJ said:
I am sorry may be none of you, is the wrong wording. Yes in fact I have to deal with aggressive dogs most days we even put aggressive dogs to sleep for the local council. To tell you the truth I am totally fed up of dealing with dangerous dogs and the chav owners. It's about time something was done about this. I do understand it wouldn't be easy.
Sorry once again if I offended anyone that wasn't my intention.
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As EK suggests I have indeed experienced this, both dealing with severe aggression and being what I would phrase (mauled) by a dog, I still bear the scars on my hands.
I have total sympathy for the policeman and he will now be in more agony than he was during the attack when adrenalin would have actually helped him some (still the pain would have been immense) now he needs to contend with the aftermath and swelling which see you in excruciating pain, infact your whole body throbs:(
I agree there was lack of thought and support for that poor officer and I do not blame him or his colleagues (apart from lack of help and how long it took) but do think more should have been done in preperation to avoid this kind of situation.
If that had been 2 dogs he could potentailly have been killed waiting aslong as he did for help. Even a tazer would have been a basic tool or arm protection! the tazer even for the resident human in that house incase he was armed!
I have and still would intervene if I saw someone being attacked like that and im sure most others would as scarey as it would be, it would be worse to look on and do nothing and see someone bellowing in pain like the officer was.
I could not even stand and watch another dog being attacked let alone a human and even more so a colleague or relative/friend.
What is done is done, I hope it never happens again.

Another topic...... I actually also hate seen police on the beat (alone) not sure what the thinking is behind that, other than cost? does anybody know? surely this is also a dangerous game.
 
Poor policemen. And poor dog for being owned by that moron.
I think it needs looking into as to why they weren't sent in prepared tho. A few years ago a good friends husband was falsely accused of a serious crime by someone he'd had a fall out with. Given the nature of the crime he was arrested & the police got a warrant to search the house. However they own 2 rotties, who whilst both friendly & well trained, would attack a group of strange men entering the property. The police had to contact my friend, to come home & enter the property to remove the dogs. She went in with one officer who was able to verify she touched nothing but the dogs. Would have been a different outcome if they'd just been sent in. (and charges were dropped, instead the accuser was done for wasting police time)
 
Investigation is pending,it is the same patch my dog warden friend covers..fortunately she was`nt on duty that day..but the dog was well known.
 
noodle_ said:
thougth police had battons???

without being awful id have whacked the dog a few times if i was an officer....

wouldnt leave my colleagues to be savaged...!!
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This is what sprang to mind for me!! as far as I know every police officer carries a baton and surely a good whack with that would stop it in its tracks!! :confused::confused:

cant believe they stood there watching thier colleague being mauled!!
 
CAYLA said:
Another topic...... I actually also hate seen police on the beat (alone) not sure what the thinking is behind that, other than cost? does anybody know? surely this is also a dangerous game.
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Cost. Pure cost.

Our police dog unit spends it's entire time going up and down the M6 as they have to cover the whole of Lancashire.....so by the time they arrive, the situation is all over.

It's ridiculous :(
 
Oberon said:
As I was not there and do not know the full details of the situation I cannot comment.

However, in my work with the police it astounds me how very judgemental the public can be.

If the officers had beaten the dog down with their batons or all piled on the dog at the same time there would be a video titled, "Police officers beat dog to death." and everyone would be outraged.

If the officers had all scattered and the dog went on a rampage with the neighbours, there would be a video titled, "Police officers stand by while dog mauls public." and everyone would be outraged.

Five officers were mauled and none of the public was injured - yet here we are, picking apart what the officers did WHILE they were being mauled :(

Seriously - this is their JOB. Would you like to be mauled while on duty and then get slagged off by the general public afterwards?

And they are condemned for jumping on the wall? So they SHOULD endanger themselves just to satisfy joe public?

They are human beings and were probably terrified!

I can safely say if that dog had been mauling a member of the public - those officers WOULD have jumped in.

As it is they kept the scene secure and waited for backup.
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What a very sensible post. I am seriously shocked by the posts from the armchair critics, but then it is easy to be wise from the sidelines :(
 
I really wish more police forces were routinely armed and maybe then the poor buggers would not have to do manwork with a psycho animal and no protective sleeve.
I may be repeating other posters here but hitting a dog like that with a stick will NOT make it stop, it will wind it up even further. And they would end up in the Daily Fail for beating a dog.
And agree, being a cop must be a really thankless task these days.
 
My OH used to be on the beat on his own, absolutely crazy working environment if you ask me. Don't get me wrong, I'm no staunch police supporter, when they get it wrong, they do deserve to be called out on it (however difficult the job) but sometimes only an expert would know how to handle a situation and the police are somehow expected to be experts in every situation??:confused: They are still human beings, people!
 
Oberon said:
As I was not there and do not know the full details of the situation I cannot comment.

However, in my work with the police it astounds me how very judgemental the public can be.

If the officers had beaten the dog down with their batons or all piled on the dog at the same time there would be a video titled, "Police officers beat dog to death." and everyone would be outraged.

If the officers had all scattered and the dog went on a rampage with the neighbours, there would be a video titled, "Police officers stand by while dog mauls public." and everyone would be outraged.

Five officers were mauled and none of the public was injured - yet here we are, picking apart what the officers did WHILE they were being mauled :(

I personally was not picking apart what the officer was doing while he was being mauled, i was questioning the actions of the 4 other men who were standing on the wall doing NOTHING to help the policeman that WAS being mauled

Seriously - this is their JOB. Would you like to be mauled while on duty and then get slagged off by the general public afterwards?

Is it not their job to deal with dangerous situtions that others do not want to be dealing with


And they are condemned for jumping on the wall? So they SHOULD endanger themselves just to satisfy joe public?

Yes they should, it is their job

They are human beings and were probably terrified!

So if they jump on a wall whilst a crazy person is attacking an old man becuse they are scared of the attacker would that be OK

I can safely say if that dog had been mauling a member of the public - those officers WOULD have jumped in.

Would they really, i seriously doubt that!

As it is they kept the scene secure and waited for backup.

By letting the dog chomp on their colleague untill help arrived:rolleyes:
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I know that 5 grown men can keep a horse on the ground if needs be, my thoughts are that if they worked together they could have gotten that dog on the ground and held it there untill help arrived.
 
Allover said:
I know that 5 grown men can keep a horse on the ground if needs be, my thoughts are that if they worked together they could have gotten that dog on the ground and held it there untill help arrived.
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I've previously been involved with dogs which were extremely dangerous, and I can assure you, that neither 5, nor 55 men would have held that dog down, until help arrived, without serious injury.

Odd though it may sound, the larger breeds with full coats, and looser skins are actually easier than the smaller, but equally powerful bull breeds, with no coats, tight skins, and a grip which has to be felt, to be appreciated, they are the most dangerous option, believe me.

Judging unarmed POs is wrong. They will be completely out of their depth, and for us to sit in judgement, simply isn't fair.

Alec.
 
Alec Swan said:
I've previously been involved with dogs which were extremely dangerous, and I can assure you, that neither 5, nor 55 men would have held that dog down, until help arrived, without serious injury.

Odd though it may sound, the larger breeds with full coats, and looser skins are actually easier than the smaller, but equally powerful bull breeds, with no coats, tight skins, and a grip which has to be felt, to be appreciated, they are the most dangerous option, believe me.

Judging unarmed POs is wrong. They will be completely out of their depth, and for us to sit in judgement, simply isn't fair.

Alec.
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We shall have to agree to disagree:)
 
I agree with alec. Without a muzzle and a dog catcher. They would not beable to restrain that dog. The muzzle would have to have been already on ..... Of course as there isn't a chance in this world you would get it on such an aggressive dog. I find it annoying that you expect police as part of there job to get attacked by a dangerous dog....... You couldn't give me all the money in the world to be in there shoes!!!!!
 
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