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So, some members of the Police force are to be punished for beating people at he G20 march.
I seem to remember the unfounded beatings at the Countryside Alliance march in London. They got away with it that time!
 
And I'm sure none of them were provoked in the slightest
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So, some members of the Police force are to be punished for beating people at he G20 march.
I seem to remember the unfounded beatings at the Countryside Alliance march in London. They got away with it that time!

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Please be accurate - you are referrring to the Metropolitan Police Force I would imagine?

I love a good generalisation
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The police aren't there to react to provocation, they are supposed to keep peace and order.
If some can't do the job in a professional manner, then they should not be there.
 
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The police aren't there to react to provocation, they are supposed to keep peace and order.
If some can't do the job in a professional manner, then they should not be there.

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Actually they are there to keep LAW and order, not peace and order
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And a police force is supposed to be representative of the community it represents - that means that there will be good ones, not so good ones......... good heavens anyone would think they are humans, not automatons
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Hear Hear
 
I think the majority of the police force do a good job and I know they are very frsutrated by our criminal justice system, which so often lets the guilty walk on a technicality.

However, have you seen the G20 footage? The man who died was not a protester. He was walking home from work with his hands in his pockets and he was attacked from behind.

It could be any of us - just in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and a policemen who has had a bad day and thinks he is above the law.
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I think police in the main do a good job under very difficult circumstances and in all walks of life you will get a couple of bad uns. However, whilst I am not condoning what happened to the girl in the latest clips I did note that she came back for more so to speak so whatever he did wasn't severe enough for her to leave alone
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I also think there are an element of people who provoke on purpose to gain such a situation as we have now.
 
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Are you in the force then Splotchy?

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Nope - I just hate inaccurate b*llocks being posted about the police
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e.g. I wouldnt be in "the force" as there are 48 (or it could be 49) forces across the UK
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Although what it has to do with you whether I am or not is beyond me
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I think the majority of the police force do a good job and I know they are very frsutrated by our criminal justice system, which so often lets the guilty walk on a technicality.

However, have you seen the G20 footage? The man who died was not a protester. He was walking home from work with his hands in his pockets and he was attacked from behind.

It could be any of us - just in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and a policemen who has had a bad day and thinks he is above the law.
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Its very easy to judge on a short video clip. Dont believe everything you read. He wasnt just walking home. He was filmed on CCTV earlier blocking the road and refusing to move on. Whilst Im not condoning any unreasonable force, I think it is better to await the outcome of internal investigations, with the full facts available before passing judgement.
 
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So, some members of the Police force are to be punished for beating people at he G20 march.
I seem to remember the unfounded beatings at the Countryside Alliance march in London. They got away with it that time!

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I think what you'll find is actually happening is that a review of policing tactics at G20 has been requested. The review will be conducted by Denis O'Connor.

Two officers are currently suspended following allegations of assaults at G20. Until a full review has been conducted no further action will be taken.

In the case of the newspaper vendor who died, it can be seen that he was the subject of an unprovocted 'shove' which felled him. The case of the woman allegedly hit in the face is less clear - as it would appear to be the case that she was accidently hit in the face by an officer whose arms were raised, rather than hitting out. However, there is no doubt that she was hit in the legs by a police batton.
 
Regarding the lady being struck by the officer. There is no video evidence of what had previously happened. For all we know she could of been owne of the main trouble makers who pushed her luck to far. I dont think its up to us to go pointing the finger without the full facts. Which is what the CPS will be doing.
 
I think police have their hands tied to some extent. I do believe most are good at their job but I know they also get v frustrated with how the 'system' works (more in favour of the crimibnal than agianst half the time!). There are the odd few who are a little 'trigger happy' (although without guns if that maes sense) who, once in their uniform can get a little heavy handed.

As far as the footage is concerned though, yep in both instances the man was shoved and the lady was hit with the baton. As Bumpyride said though she went back again to the officer - why?. What I find interesting in both cases is, although we see what happened for some reason we don't hear anything! What was the woman saying, what HAD she said to the officer? The same could be said about the man - he could have been saying anything for all we know, in both cases they could have already been warned about their behaviour/been causing trouble earlier but we have only seen what the protestors' cameras want us to see.

I don't condone any violence. Sadly a man did die but it was in no way as a direct result of him being shoved by the officer as far as I can see. He could have already been having a heart attack way before. If that man hadn't sadly died would that footage ever have shown/considered as uncalled for police behaviour?

I sometimes feel police will never win, they get jumped on for whatever they do/don't do.
 
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"Sadly a man did die but it was in no way as a direct result of him being shoved by the officer as far as I can see."

Are you a pathologist?

Article in today's Telegraph:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/columni...the-police.html

Or what about the Daily Mail comparing Parlaiment Square with G20:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/articl...-folk-2004.html

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I fail to see how you can compare G20 to Hillsborough where 96 people were killed and others seriously injured. G20, claimed one life of which he had caused trouble earlier that day by blocking the road of a police van and not moving. You can possibly say that the heart attack was caused by the police, although heart attacks can be caused by a whole number of contributing factors many of which can be unrelated to the G20. It could of been "The icing on the cake" and the final straw to trigger his heart attack.

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The police can't do right for wrong.

A man died in a crowd at the G20 protest. He died from a heart attack, he was not bludgeoned by the police or crushed by the crowd, he collapsed of a heart attack. He could well have dropped dead on the tube, on the bus, on a quiet pavement or in an arm chair at home. He was not old his heart was not 100% to die in this way.

The police contained the protest as best they could within the law and without breaching our freedom to protest. they could not allow total freedom of movement otherwise any number of people could have been seriously hurt, it was not a peaceful protest, the broken windows show this.

What happened with the woman in the video clip is a 30 second clip, you do not see what that person was doing prior to the film, it may have been edited that way. If the police officers felt threatened they are allowed to use force to attempt to quieten the crowd. He didn't beat her round the head, he decked her and it work, she backed of and stopped what she may or may not have been doing.

I feel people get carried away with what they media 'feed' them as scnadal and injustice.
 
Hear Hear PrincessSpark1e.
People are far to eager to jump on the bandwagon and turn everything against the police, without looking and analisizing (sp) the actual scene.

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According to todays paper (so not necessarily fact obviously) the lady who was hit has signed up with Max Clifford for £50,000 to tell her story
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But not reported to the police to assist them with their enquiry as requested to do??

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i would really love to hear from somebody who is waving the 'Police brutality' flag come up with a lawful way of policing large scale protests, preventing damage and injury whilst allowing, as far as possibe, those who wish to lawfully protest, the means to do so.

This wasn't a peaceful protest, there was an element there who covered their faces and were intent on causing damage and engaging in violent and intimidating actions (and I am not talking about the Police officers here)

So answers on a post card here, or perhaps to HMI of Constabulary, who will also be examining this knotty question.
 
The police can't do right for doing wrong no matter what they do or what the situation is
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They are only human and despite all their training I would think being faced with an overwhelming number of protesters would be quite intimidating even for them? What we have seen in the news may not be the whole picture but a moment in time.

I am not defending them but would prefer to know the whole story
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Ask Sussex police. The Brighton demonstration followed Parliament Square a week later with the same number of people present: about 20,000. There was no trouble, no arrests or injuries. Funny that.
 
Lets face it, London has a high history of violence. The majority of people in London are nice every day people, but London is also highly populated by Drug dealers, theifs etc.
 
Erm, and no I am not a pathologist (would it make a difference if I said I was?!) but neither can anyone say that had the police not shoved the man he would not have had a heart attack. As was said, that man could have died just walking down the street or sat on a sofa at home.

I heard this morning the woman who was hit by the policeman has revealed her injuries and said (according to a quote on GMTV) she feels as though she's been "whipped by the taliban"!!! I nearly choked on my breakfast when i heard that!
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I've read all the comments made and there have been some very valid and valuable points cited.
While we all have different opinions, I don't think there is any one easy solution.
Yes, I agree that the press can be misleading and only feed us what they want us to believe, therefore we have to try to sort out in our own minds the rights and wrongs.
Everybody is entitled to an opinion and that is what most people here have done, for which I fully respect.
 
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