Police brutality

im sorry but this really gets my goat
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if you think you can do better than the police - go ahead YOU get out there and do it. everyone is far too focused on the police and what they did - what about the protestors? oh no they are the good people here lets let them smash windows and take goods from banks/shops etc (this is criminal damage and stealing just in case anyone has forgotten) and be the good ones out of this

sorry but thats what is wrong with Britian the police get jumped on the minute they do something wrong but the people who are breaking the law - what happens to them? - JACK S**T thats what!!!
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Mole - the police force are not above the law. Striking a man from behind who presents no threat is not allowed, whether you are wearing a uniform or not. Ian Tomlinson was not 'smashing windows and taking goods from banks/shops etc)'. That is why Nick Hardwick, chairman of the Independent Police Complaints Commission, said he had "serious concerns" about front-line supervision of officers at the G20 demonstrations and that police need to remember they are "servants, not masters" of the people.
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as sad as it is - why the heck would you just wander along in front of police knowing the atmosphere of the event - get out the way! sauntering along infront of riled up police is not going to help a stituation - i do think that it was a over reaction of the police and no they shdnt have done what they did but its always the innocent by stander that gets hurt while the people that have caused all the trouble sit back and say how awful the police are
 
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Mole - the police force are not above the law. Striking a man from behind who presents no threat is not allowed, whether you are wearing a uniform or not. Ian Tomlinson was not 'smashing windows and taking goods from banks/shops etc)'. That is why Nick Hardwick, chairman of the Independent Police Complaints Commission, said he had "serious concerns" about front-line supervision of officers at the G20 demonstrations and that police need to remember they are "servants, not masters" of the people.
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I agree - the police have to remain in control of themselves, at ALL times - that is the whole premise of the job in the first place, is it not.
 
If someone pushed you in a pub and you smacked them in the gob you'd get nicked.

Do the police have special powers to thump people?
 
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why the heck would you just wander along in front of police knowing the atmosphere of the event

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To be fair, I think you'll find the man was on his way home from work. And unless he was expressly barred from walking in that direction by a police cordon - then of course he had every right to be there.
 
yeah i know that he's allowed to be there but if you arent anything to do with the protest - get out of the way, go home dont wander along - like i said its always the innocent ones that harm comes to
 
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That is exactly what he was doing. And regardless of whether he was not - there was no justifiable reason for him to be shoved to the ground like that.
 
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To be fair, I think you'll find the man was on his way home from work. And unless he was expressly barred from walking in that direction by a police cordon - then of course he had every right to be there.

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And his run in with the riot police an hour or so earlier when again he wouldnt do as requested was.....??

p.s he is homeless so wasnt going home
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Not relevant.

If you push a policeman during a violent protest you is a bit silly! But then, being a smack head she probably didnt care.

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They have the right to use force, that is why it is silly to push them.
 
Excellent posting Eagle_Day completely agree. I had always trusted the police until that day in 2004. My father who had never been to a meet or shown any inclination to do so was watching it on Sky News when I got in and he was appalled by what he saw - the sheer hatred on the faces of the officers as they leant over the barriers to hit people who were trying to move away. As a result he made a point of coming to the meet on the 19th and while not one of our regular supporters still comes out every so often to swell numbers at the festive meets.

The current administration have sought to limit our ancient rights to protest citing terrorism. As a result you are not allowed to protest spontaneously in Parliament Square without filling in paperwork and submitting it to the police - a young lady was arrested under this ruling because she dared to stand outside parliament without permission and recite the names of every soldier killed in Iraq. The laws on aggravated trespass have been altered so that pre-emptive action can be taken against demonstrators before they even have the chance to make their feelings known. Those going to protests have found their buses have been diverted and then escorted back to whence they came. Whilst members of Plane Stupid have also been arrested under the Terrorism laws, held for hours and then barred from associating with the other group members 2 teenagers were released into a strange town in the early hours and left to make their way home.

It might be more comforting to keep telling yourself that 'they deserved it', 'the police were doing their job' and they 'shouldn't have been there' - but we are in danger of sleepwalking into a police state that is closer to an Orwellian vision than one where freedoms were enshrined in Habeus Corpus and the Magna Carta. Be afraid, be very afraid.
 
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re not being lost because of the police or the state. Those rights will be lost for us all by those who choose NOT to protest in a peacefull manner.

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You're too late, the rights have been lost and through acts passed by the current Labour Government. Just read Taking Liberties and you will see how wide ranging these powers are and many examples of where they have been used against anyone protesting against the government or its policies.
 
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And his run in with the riot police an hour or so earlier when again he wouldnt do as requested was.....??

p.s he is homeless so wasnt going home

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I believe from the press coverage that Mr. Tomlinson had been directed into the area as Police had closed off his usual route home from Bank station.

He was also returning to a hostel - a man trying to get his life back on the straight and narrow. I am not sure why you seem to be of the opinion that a homeless person has any less right to be in a certain location than someone who was heading home to a private dwelling.
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Well the police are meant to be on the same legal level as us. That was Robert Peels original intention and is one of the things that makes this country great.

They should not be able to break the law either and removing your numbers and bopping people on the head for no good reason is a tad dodgy.

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'Provocation is not justification'
 
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re not being lost because of the police or the state. Those rights will be lost for us all by those who choose NOT to protest in a peacefull manner.

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You're too late, the rights have been lost and through acts passed by the current Labour Government. Just read Taking Liberties and you will see how wide ranging these powers are and many examples of where they have been used against anyone protesting against the government or its policies.

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We have our rights because our forefathers fought for them and if we don't continue to do so then they will be taken away.
 
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They have the right to use force, that is why it is silly to push them.

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They have the right to use force but not abuse it.
 
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