Police on horseback charge at protesters

From the weapons, firecrackers and all the other missiles these yobs were throwing it clearly was never intended to be a peaceful demonstration. Those police horses are so brave.
 
I am completely with the Police on this - the behaviour of these protestors is DISGUSTING. I can not believe how many things are being thrown at them, and talk of firecrackers being let off as well. People who go to a protestor with those are surely intent on causing trouble??

My thoughts to those officers who have been reported as injured and requiring hospital treatment.
 
ISHmad said:
From the weapons, firecrackers and all the other missiles these yobs were throwing it clearly was never intended to be a peaceful demonstration. Those police horses are so brave.
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Quite. Who the fluff carries snooker balls around with them?
 
I watched a demonstration in Newcastle today. The trouble causers aren't students - the students were stood their peacefully with signs. These trouble makers are jobless yobs that have nothing else better to do

It's a shame, we need the officers on the roads with all the snow and ice we currently have

Edited to say - I've just watched the whole clip and I CANNOT believe what people were throwing at the mounted officers!!!!!! If someone did that to me on my horse I'd trample them - then jump off and whip them to death. SCUM
 
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I have just been watching it on the news now I think its disgusting how these protesters are behaving, be them students or jobless people there is just no need for it, my thought go out to the police man that was injured when he came of his horse
 
If these students are our future doctors & lawyers then I despair, sorry but if there is no money to fund your ambitions, then you will have to pay for it yourselves, get over it. If you choose to behave in this manner & you get injured then too bloody bad. Those horses & police officers are so brave, one officer has serious neck injuries after falling from his horse. If you throw fireworks & missiles at the police, sorry you deserve all you get, hopefully a good hard crack with a night stick. There are lots of things in life that I feel are unfair to my personal circumstances, but I don't attack the police & start fires in the street, I think they should bring troops in to assist the police & disperse them by whatever means are necessary.
 
kizzywiz said:
Those horses & police officers are so brave, one officer has serious neck injuries after falling from his horse. If you throw fireworks & missiles at the police, sorry you deserve all you get, hopefully a good hard crack with a night stick. There are lots of things in life that I feel are unfair to my personal circumstances, but I don't attack the police
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100% with you on that
 
Many of the people who went to protest set out today to be violent. Many London monuments have been graffitied such as the statue of Winston Churchill. They are showing no sign of respect and do not deserve to have any respect from the general public who pay taxes to allow these people to go to university in the first place.

The mounted police and their horses are very brave people especially when protesters were throwing firecrackers etc at them.
 
I think that is so immature of the protesters! They are meant to be proving that they want to go to university and that they are clever enough to move on from university and to get a well paid job etc.
What they are doing there, throwing items at horses, is proving that they are not mature enough to go to university!
I would like to go to university in a couple of years after 2 more years at school and sixth form and yes the prices are unfair, but that is not the way to show it!
 
ladybird82 said:
that is a really scary thought
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But that's just it isn't it - most of those who cause the violence are the "rentamob" who would protest for anyone they are not the future lawyers, doctors who will just be the rich elite who can afford £9k per year in fees. There are very many thousands probably millions of people who disagree with the raising of the fees and do not want their views displayed in this manner.

But please remember - the poll tax riots were hardly "nice" and they did achieve change.

I thoroughly disagree with the Bill but I wouldn't deem to throw things at the police (ex PC myself) but there must be the right to peacefully protest and it is the difficulty in not letting those bent on causing trouble to ransack peaceful protest in a democracy.
 
I don't see how it was effective? they just ended up in between 2 yobs of scum and they didn't really go anywhere. Then they were kinda trapped and being pelted from all sides instead of 1. The crowd didn't disperse... and the police and horses got injured.

They are incredibly brave, but bravery doesn't mean they did the right thing. Lets get one thing right, horses do not appreciate the gratitude the same as people do. And imo they were put at a greater risk than needed there by a stupid tactical move.

ETS of course it is the horrible scum 'students' fault the police/ horses got injured (not that i beleive many of the violent ones would have been actual students) but the police job is to deal with them effectively.
 
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Double_choc_lab said:
There are very many thousands probably millions of people who disagree with the raising of the fees and do not want their views displayed in this manner.
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This exactly; I will hopefully be going to uni myself in Sept 2010 so should miss the fee rise, but I can understand only too well why people around my age are upset (and their parents too I should imagine!) HOWEVER, this definately doesn't give the minority (I hope :S) the right to act in such a thoughtless and downright idiotic way. Not only do they give the rest of us a bad name and completely negate the point of the protest (which claims the youth today are reasoned and sensible people who need to be respected and listened to in parliament), but they are putting lives at risk.

For what it's worth though: I did attend my local protest in Bath last week with the intention of leaving if it got violent. However I was pleasantly surprised that the protest went off without incident, and we even had a bit of friendly banter with the Police (who seemed very much on our side in all of this, provided we remained sane!) Just goes to show that much better results will be achieved by remaining calm, and perhaps there is a small glimmer of hope for some responsible students after all...
 
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I don't see how it was effective? they just ended up in between 2 yobs of scum and they didn't really go anywhere. Then they were kinda trapped and being pelted from all sides instead of 1. The crowd didn't disperse... and the police and horses got injured.

They are incredibly brave, but bravery doesn't mean they did the right thing. Lets get one thing right, horses do not appreciate the gratitude the same as people do. And imo they were put at a greater risk than needed there by a stupid tactical move.

ETS of course it is the horrible scum 'students' fault the police/ horses got injured (not that i beleive many of the violent ones would have been actual students) but the police job is to deal with them effectively.
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Not quite as simple as it looks. The officers trying to hold the crowd back were all wearing hats not helmets. The crowd turned aggressive and they were not in a position to stop and don their helmets.they would have been immediately overrun if they had tried. The horses were used in a well disciplined formation and I would guess it gave the officers on foot a moments breathing space to reorganise.You will notice that they have their helmets on when their cordon reforms
 
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Mike007 said:
Not quite as simple as it looks. The officers trying to hold the crowd back were all wearing hats not helmets. The crowd turned aggressive and they were not in a position to stop and don their helmets.they would have been immediately overrun if they had tried. The horses were used in a well disciplined formation and I would guess it gave the officers on foot a moments breathing space to reorganise.You will notice that they have their helmets on when their cordon reforms
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Then they should have been better prepared on foot too. There's been loads of violent demonstrations, why expect this one to be any different? It may have given those on foot time to catch their breath, but it gave those on horseback a battering!
 
Double_choc_lab said:
they are not the future lawyers, doctors who will just be the rich elite who can afford £9k per year in fees.
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I may be reading this wrong, but are you implying that only the rich elite want to/can be lawyers or doctors? or that with this bill change that is all who will be??

I thought that the amount of fees paid would only be decided once you had graduated and started earning??? completely agree though that those who are rioting seem to have little or no idea or care about what they are protesting about....
 
somethingorother said:
Then they should have been better prepared on foot too. There's been loads of violent demonstrations, why expect this one to be any different? It may have given those on foot time to catch their breath, but it gave those on horseback a battering!
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If you start by wearing riot gear it is a lot harder to keep a peacefull protest peacefull.
 
Seems I'll be alone on this one but, to borrow a bit of JFK paraphrasing I saw on FB during the last Whitehall protest;

Those who make peaceful protest impossible will make violent protest inevitable
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Whilst I sympathise with the police horse's lot, I'm with the students on this, not the wreckers, but the students.
 
These horses are extremely brave, you can tell some are getting spooked but wouldn't you if you didn't know where the next bit of wood, firecracker etc is coming from.
They are ridiculous people that belong not at uni!!!
 
From the news report I saw part of the problem was they deviated from the agreed route. They will find sympathy starts to run out when they act in this manner damaging public property and injuring police and especially the horses.

Who is paying for all this? O that will be the beleaguered tax payers who they are also expecting to fund their education, benefits etc etc

The students involved want to use threir brains if they want to keep the support of tax pagers - by allowing it to end in violence isn't the way.:mad:
 
JoG said:
I may be reading this wrong, but are you implying that only the rich elite want to/can be lawyers or doctors? or that with this bill change that is all who will be??

I thought that the amount of fees paid would only be decided once you had graduated and started earning??? completely agree though that those who are rioting seem to have little or no idea or care about what they are protesting about....
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I mean with the new Bill courses such as medicine will attract the higher cap ie £9k per year and this would mean a medicine course costing £45K - (before any living expenses)therefore this would deter many less wealthy students from applying and this is wrong. People of all social class should aspire to further their education and not be deterred by cost. The £21K earnings cap mean that anyone earning an average wage or above will be paying back the fees
 
Double_choc_lab said:
I mean with the new Bill courses such as medicine will attract the higher cap ie £9k per year and this would mean a medicine course costing £45K - (before any living expenses)therefore this would deter many less wealthy students from applying and this is wrong. People of all social class should aspire to further their education and not be deterred by cost. The £21K earnings cap mean that anyone earning an average wage or above will be paying back the fees
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So therefore, they will qualify, become say a GP, earn an above average wage & then have to repay their student loan. I can't see a problem with this as they will be earning a decent salary. I am paying back the costs of setting up my business, I don't expect other tax payers to fund this & I don't riot & attack the police.
 
If they earn an average wage after uni why should,nt they pay the fee,s back, or would it disturb their skiing holiday. Or perhaps their gap year !!! what is that all about.
 
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