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You're guessing at 13st from a photo?
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agree.. you really can't judge someone weight by a photo!
 
I've just had a look - sorry, that person could be anything from 9st - pictures can be so deceptive, and remember it is a little pony.
The pony looks quite happy, the person is only sitting on it, I honestly think all this fuss about people being too big is nonsense. And at the other end of the scale it leads people into putting half grown children on 16.2 eventers to keep up with their peers and or/break their necks.
At PC these days, people are forever telling you your child has outgrown its pony - my 6st daughter has apparently outgrown her 12hh welshie five times over. Poppycock.
 
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welsh farmers often used to ride as and bs. I'm sure they rode cs and ds sometimes too.

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Does that make it right though??

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that would depend on whether you believe this long held practice has in some way undermined the breed?

it seems to me showing, prettying up, and the resultant obesity have caused a damn sight more damage.

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Too right! In a similar vein... when people get snarky about riding/training/feeding etc practices abroad, they should try turning their critical eye a bit closer to home.
 
I'm completely in agreement with you - kids are rushed into horses too quickly - my aunt recently did it to my cousin and he was devastated to part with a pony that was a perfect fit
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Just looked to me that the rider was quite heavy considering the size/age of the pony, but like I said - could be wrong!!
 
Welshies have 'curved' back anyway. I didn't see tha add/picture but I doubt there would be a problem with it. Section A and B's were bred to carry grown men. Any weak ones, or those who develope back problems wouldn't have been bred from. Modern A's and B's aren't bred like this, mostly they are bred for looks and temperament but the original strength will still be with them. I ride our lightweight section B's, I currently weigh over 10 stone
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, and none of them struggle, and we do well at unaff. dressage.
 
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My welsh section a had a dipped back when we got him as a 3yo because someone smaller than that had broken him in......it's a nice pony but it will have back problems IMO.

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That last comment could get you in a heap of trouble. You do not know this pony, you have no idea when it was backed (ad says 'recently' so quite possibly as a 4 yo) or by whom or how much work it has been in (probably none, as no rider) and you are predicting it will have back problems based on one photo?
If it were my ad, I'd be absolutely livid.

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agree with PF here, there's no justification for making that kind of statement - the advertiser has paid HH to place an ad in good faith and HHO has published a statement about it which is all but guaranteed to prejudice the sale! I'd be wanting my money back!
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I did say it was my opinion and the owner can challenge me if he/she wants but I wouldn't buy it based on the fact it doesn't look to be very happy ridden by the girl in the ad and I wouldn't want to have to deal with any future problems should they arise!
 
When you are advertising a pony/horse as a ridden away animal, it is quite usual to have someone/anyone sitting on the animal for a photoshot. People want to see someone on the animal to make sure, before they set off, that someone has actually been aboard.

This photo in particular, looks to have been done in a rush; I can't imagine the person on the pony actually rides it with just a pad on therefore I would think that they are on it purely for the photo.
 
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You're guessing at 13st from a photo?
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agree.. you really can't judge someone weight by a photo!

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the lass in the photo looks a lighter build than me and i'm a good bit less than 13 stone!
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She looks bigger than me and I'm 8st, I wouldn't ride that pony but then....each to their own.

It doesn't look to happy in the picture though does it? The whole ad puts me off TBH.
 
How does it not look happy? It has one ear towards its rider and one forwards. It'd help if it were stood squarer but apart from that I see nothing wrong!
 
I dont think that ad looks as bad as the giant overweight 40 off year old guy near us who used to ride a Section A (!) with no saddle and just a headcollar across the dual carriageway so he could get his fags from the petrol station the other side without having to actually walk.
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That would horrify you (yes we did report it, no nothing was done) This is quite mild in comparison....... still undesirable but better than not backing the pony at all and it going for meat as unbroken it wasnt worth enough and noone wanted it.
 
I personally have no opinion on this subject because for all we know the pony could belong to a family friend and they have just asked her to sit on it for a photo. I dont know that obviously but I feel sorry for the child getting picked at on an open forum. The photo could be a lot worse, she could be jumping it!
I think its total b0ll0cks that she'll damage its back....

How long does it take to back a pony? 1 week? 2 weeks? Or even 6 weeks? So she wouldn't have ridden it for long enough to damage it.
Give the poor kid a break, I hope she doesn't see this, theres nothing like lack of confidence at a young age!
 
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I personally have no opinion on this subject because for all we know the pony could belong to a family friend and they have just asked her to sit on it for a photo. I dont know that obviously but I feel sorry for the child getting picked at on an open forum. The photo could be a lot worse, she could be jumping it!
I think its total b0ll0cks that she'll damage its back....

How long does it take to back a pony? 1 week? 2 weeks? Or even 6 weeks? So she wouldn't have ridden it for long enough to damage it.
Give the poor kid a break, I hope she doesn't see this, theres nothing like lack of confidence at a young age!

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couldn't agree more! pony destined never to sell and neurotic, anorexic girl! result!
I don't know about anybody else, maybe it's just round here
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but there's a bit of a shortage of 3 stone 4 year olds who are up to backing ponies. We've tried snatching them off the rocking horses at preschools, but it doesn't go down well.
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If you are reading, jockey-in-photo you don't look much over half that weight to me and the pony looks fine.
 
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Can I just mention that in the 'old' days, when full grown men rode these ponies regularly, men were smaller than the average man now. Also Welsh A's and Shetlands were sturdy stocky animals, not the 'finer' animals we often see today.

Cannot comment on the advert as it has now been removed.
 
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Can I just mention that in the 'old' days, when full grown men rode these ponies regularly, men were smaller than the average man now. Also Welsh A's and Shetlands were sturdy stocky animals, not the 'finer' animals we often see today.

Cannot comment on the advert as it has now been removed.

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Well 'my' section b was just a section b, and 'my' welsh farmer was like an outdoor convenience of brick construction, so while I take the general point, I don't see its relevance to this discussion. That poor lass is not a Welsh farmer, and the pony's not made of candy floss.
Thankfully, it also is not obese, robbed of it's natural bearing, done up like a dogs dinner and over fed/bred/shod and bent to within an inch of its poor sorry little life. So I say good luck to them.
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Not all A's are fine, I own a tank lol!
Hope all you're donkey's are OK?

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Yes, some are still nice and sturdy, many are not though.
Two sick donks, but almost recovered now.
 
The relevance to this discussion is for the many people who have stated that in the 'old' days welsh a's and shetlands were ridden by full grown men. It has every relevance to this thread, although not to this particular advert, which therefore would mean other peoples comments are also not relevant.
I did not say that ALL men were smaller as I did not say ALL welsh A 's and shetlands are now smaller.

Thanks Sophie, I see which advert now.
 
and I'm talking about the 1970s not the 1790s. I very much doubt if Welsh Farmers have changed dramatically in stature in thirty odd years. I think possibly welsh hill farmers in general were and are a bit smaller than 'the average man' what ever that might entail, and I grant you in the interests of showing some of the pony breeds have been partially spoiled.
But the shetland pony website quoted earlier states there have always been two types, a lighter and heavier type, and I'm sure that's true of a lot of breeds, as with dogs, and even chickens, there are show and utility strains.
It just happens to be my opinion that the utility strains of any animal are to be encouraged, and we won't encourage them by reacting like a bunch of drooping violets to any photo of a pony carrying anyone bigger than a four year old.
 
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Ditto
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Crikey, I didn't mention any dates (neither did anyone else come to that) or any other animals or say that the rider should not be on that pony. I do think ponies and horses are very molicoddled these days.
 
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