Ponyskin fashion

Most ' ponyskin' is faux. It's usually printed cow hide. I expect it does exist in some cases though.

It does say further down in the piece that she's talking about faux pony skin boots. As you know, she would be the last person to buy or even hold real pony skin!

(Haven't quite got over reading her last book!) ;)
 
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legaldancer said:
Most ' ponyskin' is faux. It's usually printed cow hide. I expect it does exist in some cases though.

It does say further down in the piece that she's talking about faux pony skin boots. As you know, she would be the last person to buy or even hold real pony skin!

(Haven't quite got over reading her last book!) ;)
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How bizarre is the concept of "faux ponyskin"? :o I know that ponyskin is now used for sporrans because seal skin has been banned:

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Pony-used-for-sporrans-after.6526864.jp

Hopefully from ponies who weren't transported in miserable conditions for long distances before being killed.
 
"Ponyskin" has been in fashion for ages and just to put it to rest - it's the hide of a cow! I have a good few ponyskin items, boots, wallet and belts and it's all moo cow. Have a look at the RM Williams website and it tells you heaps about it!
 
Aces_High said:
"Ponyskin" has been in fashion for ages and just to put it to rest - it's the hide of a cow! I have a good few ponyskin items, boots, wallet and belts and it's all moo cow. Have a look at the RM Williams website and it tells you heaps about it!
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sorry, not 100 per cent true. I could give you along list of Italian tanning companies who work 'pony' skins.
 
a lot of the 'ponyskins' here in Itay are just that. They are slaughtered for their skins although Im pretty sure the few kilos of meat and bones will be turned into fertiliser or cement. Welsh and Shetland type ponies are hauled round the various markets all summer long and those unsold just 'disappear!' I have often 'wondered where they 'disappear' too! I have seen it with my own eyes and I know for a fact that real live (dead) pony skin is used for many things eg motorcycle jackets and trousers. Just because your ponyskin is in fact cow skin doesn't mean that the trade doesn't exist. Im pleased that you are happy with your 'ponyskin which is indeed cowskin?-I would be phoning trading standards!!!!!
http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=1032&pst=611928
http://web.tiscali.it/appelli/
http://milano.bakeca.it/abbigliamento/giacca-pelle-ducati-historical-5nji14886742
sorry, you are living on another planet!
 
Fairynuff said:
a lot of the 'ponyskins' here in Itay are just that. They are slaughtered for their skins although Im pretty sure the few kilos of meat and bones will be turned into fertiliser or cement. Welsh and Shetland type ponies are hauled round the various markets all summer long and those unsold just 'disappear!' I have often 'wondered where they 'disappear' too! I have seen it with my own eyes and I know for a fact that real live (dead) pony skin is used for many things eg motorcycle jackets and trousers. Just because your ponyskin is in fact cow skin doesn't mean that the trade doesn't exist. Im pleased that you are happy with your 'ponyskin which is indeed cowskin?-I would be phoning trading standards!!!!!
http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=1032&pst=611928
http://web.tiscali.it/appelli/
http://milano.bakeca.it/abbigliamento/giacca-pelle-ducati-historical-5nji14886742
sorry, you are living on another planet!
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I am sorry but there is no need to be rude about it. I am entitled to like the products I have purchased. I will not be calling trading standards as like the Christian Louboutin shoes I have also being "ponyskin" when they are infact cow hide makes no odds to me. Yes there are ugly trades all over the world. I object to animals being skinned alive for their hides as this happens in China. I do not object to the products which I have bought where the animals has been slaughtered first. Sort of takes us back to the thread that was on here the other week - if horses are unsold and do not have a home in my book they are best off dead. At least then they are not suffering in poor health and in a squalid hole. Most of my friends who ride motorbikes wear Kevlar jeans and jackets - seems to be the safest thing. Lastly I never said anything about it not existing and I would much rather see people wearing Shetland or Welsh pony skins than getting the hides off snow leopards, tigers etc which are endangered.
 
sorry if I have upset you, but, I fail to see where i was 'rude'. I have no hang ups regarding the use of equine skins IF the equine was slaughtered at his point of origin. What I really cannot cope with, is the transporting of any equine (including ponies of very little meat value) for thousands of miles while still alive. There is no excuse for it and it would be better if 'ponyskins' were slaughtered and processed at home. There are over 200 factories who process ponyskin here in Italy, as far as I can make out, there are FOUR in GB!
 
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sorry if I have upset you, but, I fail to see where i was 'rude'. I have no hang ups regarding the use of equine skins IF the equine was slaughtered at his point of origin. What I really cannot cope with, is the transporting of any equine (including ponies of very little meat value) for thousands of miles while still alive. There is no excuse for it and it would be better if 'ponyskins' were slaughtered and processed at home. There are over 200 factories who process ponyskin here in Italy, as far as I can make out, there are FOUR in GB!
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Upset - it would take more than that to upset me!! I thought your manner was rude especially when you said I was on a different planet. I agree the transportation of animals across Europe isn't ideal but it does happen. In the perfect world yes they would all be slaughtered at the point of origin and then the carcass and hide sent across to it's destination. On a slightly different note, the transportation of sheep and cattle from Australia to the Middle East by sea. This can take 35 days or more to get to their destination. I know there will be deaths on the way but by and large the interest in the people selling these animals is to get them to their destination as fit and well as possible so they can achieve the highest price for them. We get all the horrors of it in the press but realistically speaking of course they are going to be pretty well looked after due to the end result being their pockets lined with money. Again though we transport racehorses to Italy by road on a regular basis - I know they are different to your welsh ponies etc but they come out the other end just fine and win Gp races there! Unfortunatly we do not live in a perfect world and I hate to say it but with man being the primary hunter the animals will always come off 2nd best.
 
I read an article, about pony foals being sold for £2.50 in the UK pony sales recently.
Then the poor things were sold at what seems like a diabolical market in another country, then transported onto Italy.Lots of profit apparently.
What I dont get is, I thought all equines needed to be microchipped and be passported now.
Where is the cost factored in for that in the original selling price?
Or have I missed something?
Not starting an argument, just curious
JC
 
I'm sorry but, horse or not, it's still the skin of an animal.
Leather and Sheepskin we actually use on our horses, to me, I see absolutely no difference.
It's like preaching about horse meat, it's still the meat of an animal just like lamb, pork and beef.
I have a lot of things made from animals and if I saw something I liked made from ponyskin (genuine ponyskin from and actual horse) then I'd buy it.
I own a lot of things made of leather, but cows are my favorite animal. That doesn't make me any less of an cow lover.

I think this whole thing is stupid, to preach about ponyskin is to preach about the whole animal skin industry.
 
Kao said:
I'm sorry but, horse or not, it's still the skin of an animal.
Leather and Sheepskin we actually use on our horses, to me, I see absolutely no difference.
It's like preaching about horse meat, it's still the meat of an animal just like lamb, pork and beef.
I have a lot of things made from animals and if I saw something I liked made from ponyskin (genuine ponyskin from and actual horse) then I'd buy it.
I own a lot of things made of leather, but cows are my favorite animal. That doesn't make me any less of an cow lover.

I think this whole thing is stupid, to preach about ponyskin is to preach about the whole animal skin industry.
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You can go back over other posts I've made on horse meat and not being a vegan, but my point here was the worry, raised in an earlier thread which referred to Equine Rescue France, that ponies were being transported all the way from the UK to Italy illegally and in miserable conditions, to be converted into handbags. And how it would be better if they were slaughtered in the UK.

"Ponyskin" appears to be a bit of a grey area, but also a by-product of the meat trade, I presume, although the ERF info hinted that the ponies being shipped weren't exactly the "meat" type and were going merely for their skins.
 
So can anyone shed light on my question , dont these ponies need to be passported and microchipped, or is there a loophole?
JC
 
JCWHITE said:
I read an article, about pony foals being sold for £2.50 in the UK pony sales recently.
Then the poor things were sold at what seems like a diabolical market in another country, then transported onto Italy.Lots of profit apparently.
What I dont get is, I thought all equines needed to be microchipped and be passported now.
Where is the cost factored in for that in the original selling price?
Or have I missed something?
Not starting an argument, just curious
JC
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they are mostly sold on "derrigation"..which means the buyer has to get them passported/chipped within 30 days of purchase..bit difficult if they are either exported ...or dead!

DEFRA are totally crap ...and until horses/ponies ARE classed as Farm/Agri animals, this abomination will continue i'm afraid
 
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SusannaF said:
You can go back over other posts I've made on horse meat and not being a vegan, but my point here was the worry, raised in an earlier thread which referred to Equine Rescue France, that ponies were being transported all the way from the UK to Italy illegally and in miserable conditions, to be converted into handbags. And how it would be better if they were slaughtered in the UK.

"Ponyskin" appears to be a bit of a grey area, but also a by-product of the meat trade, I presume, although the ERF info hinted that the ponies being shipped weren't exactly the "meat" type and were going merely for their skins.
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As are thousands of horses. They're all exported to the continent when the slaughterhouses here are full. It's not uncommon.
For skin or meat, it's not just "cute baby ponies" it's TB's, old hunters and anything else that passed onto the meat mans hands.

Also, you'd be surprised the kinds of types that are exported for meat.
 
Kao said:
As are thousands of horses. They're all exported to the continent when the slaughterhouses here are full. It's not uncommon.
For skin or meat, it's not just "cute baby ponies" it's TB's, old hunters and anything else that passed onto the meat mans hands.

Also, you'd be surprised the kinds of types that are exported for meat.
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Nowhere did I say it didn't happen with a hell of a lot of horses, or that it was just "cute baby horses". My understanding from posters here who know more of the meat trade is that it's WB/TB types who go for human consumption and ponies are more likely to end up being fed to zoo animals. I know that the export of horses to the continent happens. The case I was referring to from ERF involved illegal exportation which had bypassed the checks and balances. The ponies were in a bad state, contrary to rules for transporting them over long distances.
The use and derivation of "ponyskin" is a new area of the entire trade to me and I'm wondering about the logistics. Is it merely a byproduct of meat or, as has been suggested elsewhere, are some ponyskin buyers looking for particular coat patterns, if so, how would that fit into the fashion business, as surely these special coat patterns would need to be "produced" or even farmed at a reliable rate? Or is it all just dyed and so the notion of a "special trade" in spotty (for example) ponyskins is a nonsense?
 
So what about US products? I have a gorgeous Prairie Rose western handbag,now it could be horse skin ..but I think it is printed cowhide.Google Western Pleasure and see some of them for yourself.:D
 
Fairynuff said:
and 'Aces High?' Where are you?
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I went to bed as it was gone 1am but now I am back. I still don't agree with what you are saying so we shall agree to disagree. I will have a look at the links later on as I have some shopping to do. The transport of live animals will continue to happen until we have sheep or cattle running the government. So until that time we can just try to make it more comfortable for them.
 
Fairynuff said:
You have now convinced me that you live on 'another planet'. Have you had a look at 'Animals Angels?' Do you really know how Australian ovine/bovines travel to Libia et compania? I have nowt against tha Aussies and co, the europeans are just as bad, if not worse.
http://www.animals-angels.de/index....eID=140&synlink:docID=ir6854&synlink:linkID=2
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Heading off shopping now - so had a quick look at the link (up to page 5). To be honest, I can't see anything wrong with the site you have shown me. Yes these animals are going to travel many miles which is not ideal but they look happy enough poking their heads out of the trailers. There are a few photo's of dead ones but again it will always be the photo's of the dead ones which make it on the the website as they are wanting to portray a terrible business. I haven't seen anything on there that is making me feel it's terribly cruel or otherwise. I think the worst I've read was on the first page about a dog which should have been muzzled and a sheep was picked up inappropriatly. Many more awful things happen. I would say that animals are more highly regarded in Australia than they are in Europe hence the Europeans being worse. The Australian animals are travelling many more miles and for a longer period of time as well compared to the European animals so there is that to consider and I think that the Aussie's don't do too bad a job. You will need to come up with more than this to change my opinion!
 
SusannaF said:
How bizarre is the concept of "faux ponyskin"? :o I know that ponyskin is now used for sporrans because seal skin has been banned:
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I don't understand the EU banning seal products, these animalsl haven't been intensively farmed (which messes with the wider enviroment). Some people might not like the idea of clubbing but it is not safe to use a fire arm on a boat (that is moving with the waves) or on an ice flow. Clubbing of white seal pups have been banned for years now.

I have no probs with using any leather providing it is killed humanely and not endangered yadda yadda
 
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