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Cinnamontoast

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Brig was attacked today. He was happily wandering round the field whilst the OH trained the others and got too close to a GSD. He probably didn't notice, to be fair, as he's deaf now. The GSD reacts poorly to other dogs and the owner can't hold him. Quite honestly, if a loose dog came sniffing round Zak, there'd be an issue, so I can't go too crazy at the owner, but she's taken on a rescue dog and can't control him. He's not muzzled. The three women walking their pack of various breeds shouted for the OH to help because the GSD wouldn't let go.

Brig is fine, he has antibiotics, the vet has left the split open in case of infection.

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Poor old boy, I hope it soon heals. If the dog still isn't muzzled if you see it again will you say something?

ETA I hope she is also paying the vets bill?
 
It wasn't a massive bill, she's an OAP, had it been Zak, we'd be the ones paying, so I'm not going to ask for money, although if I see her, I'm going to ask her if she will muzzle it from now on.
 
If it was on a lead I'm afraid you have no right to ask her to muzzle it if you're dog approached it directly and that's what caused the problem..
 
Im with SusieT on this one I'm afraid..if the other dog was on a lead its your partners fault for allowing Brig to wander over and annoy the on lead dog as Brig is the one considered to be "out of control" in that scenario.

A muzzle may be a good idea for that lady but it's hard to insist on if ye were the ones in the wrong! She wouldn't be liable for bills either if her dog was on a lead and yours free roaming....

Poor Brig though I hope that heals up soon! Thankfully most dogs facial wounds usually heal very quickly :) hes looking in very good nick for his age!!
 
Poor Brig, hope he recovers quickly. I would hate a dog of mine to be attacked in any circumstances. Luckily my flatties are so friendly but also suss out if other dogs are friendly or not that they run a mile if the vibes are not right.
Sounds as though Brig was taken by surprise especially if he's deaf.
 
cinnamontoast said:
Brig was attacked today. He was happily wandering round the field whilst the OH trained the others and got too close to a GSD. He probably didn't notice, to be fair, as he's deaf now. The GSD reacts poorly to other dogs and the owner can't hold him. Quite honestly, if a loose dog came sniffing round Zak, there'd be an issue, so I can't go too crazy at the owner, but she's taken on a rescue dog and can't control him. He's not muzzled. The three women walking their pack of various breeds shouted for the OH to help because the GSD wouldn't let go.

Brig is fine, he has antibiotics, the vet has left the split open in case of infection.

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Poor Brig, that looks really nasty as it is so close to his eye, what an endearing face he has. Wishing his a speedy recovery with lots of mummy cuddles.
 
SusieT said:
If it was on a lead I'm afraid you have no right to ask her to muzzle it if you're dog approached it directly and that's what caused the problem..
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I did not see any comment from cinnamon saying the other dog should be muzzled only a passing comment saying the other dog was not muzzled. Totally different in that respect,



Aru, bit uncalled for having a go at cinnamon when she only posted a picture of poor Brig
 
Have you read the entire thread? Because she did say she was going to ask the owner to muzzle....and while I think its not a bad idea at all! Its not something she can insist on as technically her dog was the one "out of control" if the gsd was on a lead.

Im sorry if my post came across as having a go it wasnt ment that way! I really hope the poor old lad is doing well and back to catching pidgeons soon!
But the written word is easily misinterpreted, Reading back it does sound harsher then i ever ment it to!apologies.

I backed up Susiets point as others also seemed to think that Brigs bills should be paid for by the gsds owner and as the op said above that she is going to ask the gsds owner to muzzle her dog in future.

In the eyes of the law...in a case of a free roaming dog getting attacked by a dog on a lead...its the free dog thats considered the issue...as it was not under the control of its owner at the time....if both were off lead its obviously very different...
Ive never came across a scenario where the on leash dogs owners had to pay for damage done when a loose dog came over to theirs....some will offer...but they are in no way obliged to by law...regardless of dog agression status.if one is on a lead and the other free, the one free is considered the issue when it comes to insurance claims etc...

Thats not having a go its the way these things work.....letting unleashed dogs approach those on a lead is not ok...given the ops other dog beautiful spaniel Zac has dog aggression issues I'm sure the op is aware that free dogs approaching onlead ones can lead to issues....

It really wasnt ment as a go....just a point being put across to point out its not fair to completely blame the gsds owner in these sort of case....
 
SusieT said:
If it was on a lead I'm afraid you have no right to ask her to muzzle it if you're dog approached it directly and that's what caused the problem..
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Brig did not approach the dog, he was loose and wandering past. He is dog neutral, totally disinterested in other dogs. The dog was not well controlled by the owner (she struggles to hold him) and it lunged at Brig. I have no intention of asking the lady for money. I do think a big dog which cannot be held by the owner when a dog goes past should be muzzled.
 
One of my bitches will have a go if a strange dog wanders up to her when she is on lead. She is muzzled, I do not want to see a harmless dog like Brig hurt even if he was 'out of control' or deaf and happened to wander too close. For me the fact the law thinks I would be blameless is irrelevant and I would find the incident downright upsetting. I hope Brig makes a quick recovery and is not too shaken. I also hope the owner of the GSD finds it acceptable to muzzle her dog.
 
I hope he's better soon, poor lad. My old dog was attacked (he was on the lead, the other dog was a huge GSD that the young owner couldnt hang on to, also on a lead to start with)-it was years ago but our security guards still talk about it as they helped me boot the damn thing off. I was so angry as this dog had a history-if I think about it now for long enough I still get fairly furious as my setter was such a lovely character.

anyway, big cuddles for Brig.
 
I have already said that if the same happened with Zak, there would be a problem (I locked us all in the tennis courts on Sunday until the owner of a very bouncy husky managed to retrieve it, her recall was zero). I'm cross because Brig did not approach the other dog. He went past, it lunged, all three people walking together were unable to get the gsd off (according to them when the OH sprinted over) and were screaming for help.

If Zak kicks off, I am able to hold on to him and his brother who will try to defend him. I would prefer other dogs not to approach, but I don't own the place). I think it's a shame that the owner wasn't able to control her dog. I am not ranting and raving about the aggressive dog, but I would hope an owner could control their dog. We have taught Zak a very strong leave command which is fortunately successful.

Brig's main aim is to find and half eat pigeons before I can hobble over. He never goes up to other dogs, he's just not interested. Despite being almost 14, he can run a damned sight faster than me.
 
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Scabbing nicely.

The owner of the GSD phoned the OH today. Her friend had phoned last night to find out how he was. She was extremely upset, bless her and was crying on the phone. She tried to insist on paying the vet bill, the OH of course refused. She wanted us to take it even if we give it to charity. He refused. She says the dog lead slipped out of her hand and she had not expected to see Brig behind her. She said (without being prompted!) that she now has the dog in a muzzle as she doesn't want this happening again. She has tried several trainers who have not been able to help. The dog was attacked and is now defensive. The OH told her Zak was similar.

The OH lead walked Brig up the road with the neighbour's GSD (neighbour who had a stroke) She tried to lick Brig's eye, he was not happy. PTSD! (Joke, joke!)
 
I'm so glad that Brig is healing nicely but if I were you, I would be livid with OH that he had allowed him to wander about effectively unsupervised. Not much point training the others and allowing the third dog to come to harm.

Very upsetting for all concerned and lessons learned all round, I hope.
 
Even if I'm trailing or the OH is, Brig can still run a heck of a lot faster than either of us, the OH was very quick to react, we can't physically be at his side whilst allowing him some freedom. Some thinking needed about how to handle him from now on.
 
Poor old lad, what an upsetting incident for everyone. It is refreshing to hear that the GSD owner acknowledges her responsibility and is going to keep her dog muzzled from now on.

I don't think anyone is at blame here, ***** happens occasionally and no doubt the OP will keep a closer eye on where Brig is pottering in the future, and the GSD owner is going to muzzle her dog to avoid such injuries being inflicted again.
 
Unless I'm very much mistaken, it is perfectly possible for a dog on a lead to be "out of control" or "dangerously out of control". For example, if a dog on a lead is walking along the pavement and, whilst still on lead, lunges at a passer-by and bites them, surely the dog is classed as out of control, even though on a lead?
Whereas a dog ambling along minding his own business, NOT on the lead, should NOT be considered as out of control. Its actually got little to do with whether they're on a lead or not.
The GSD sounds like, although it was on lead, it was out of control! It was not responding to her training commands and she was unable to physically restrain it. Thereby it was out of control (and dangerously so, for OP's dog).

Wishing Brig a speedy recovery anyway, that's the most important thing here! :)
 
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