welshchick
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Well said Punk. Hope they are both ok.
Poor ElleJS, I hope they are both ok?
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diggerbez
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i couldn't agree more punk....i have only ever ridden at PN so would not even like to hazard a guess at what happened to Laura, and i'm sure she is experienced enough to work it out for herself...all i know is that it looked very painful and i really hope connie is ok.....
MissDeMeena
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Having been a keen armchair crit'er i know what it's like to see people make mistakes on the telly..
However, now that i'm starting to get up towards that level myself, i also know what it's like from the riders point of view..
God only knows what i'm going to look like at Blenheim
It's not easy being on the same TV screen as the likes of WFP, who really do make it look a whole lot easier than it is!!
However, now that i'm starting to get up towards that level myself, i also know what it's like from the riders point of view..
God only knows what i'm going to look like at Blenheim
It's not easy being on the same TV screen as the likes of WFP, who really do make it look a whole lot easier than it is!!
Patches
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Pleased to hear Laura is ok. I have everything crossed for Connie too.
SpottedCat
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Having been a keen armchair crit'er i know what it's like to see people make mistakes on the telly..
However, now that i'm starting to get up towards that level myself, i also know what it's like from the riders point of view..
God only knows what i'm going to look like at Blenheim
It's not easy being on the same TV screen as the likes of WFP, who really do make it look a whole lot easier than it is!!
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I think this is probably the best post on the subject I've read!
Best wishes to Laura and Connie, and as for you MDS, you'll be grand at Blenheim.
Having been a keen armchair crit'er i know what it's like to see people make mistakes on the telly..
However, now that i'm starting to get up towards that level myself, i also know what it's like from the riders point of view..
God only knows what i'm going to look like at Blenheim
It's not easy being on the same TV screen as the likes of WFP, who really do make it look a whole lot easier than it is!!
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I think this is probably the best post on the subject I've read!
Best wishes to Laura and Connie, and as for you MDS, you'll be grand at Blenheim.
MissDeMeena
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Thanks T
Re. what was said about yellow cards being given to am. riders and not pro's... that is so the wrong way round!!! the likes of Connie and for me Ernie are our one and only shot at this.. Also because we do EVERYTHING to them (where as the pro's have grooms to do all the 'care' work) they are like our best friends... the thought of putting our ponies at risk is just heartbreaking!!!
Re. what was said about yellow cards being given to am. riders and not pro's... that is so the wrong way round!!! the likes of Connie and for me Ernie are our one and only shot at this.. Also because we do EVERYTHING to them (where as the pro's have grooms to do all the 'care' work) they are like our best friends... the thought of putting our ponies at risk is just heartbreaking!!!
Rosiefan
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Vibes for Connie xx
Cyrus
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Sending lots of vibes for Connie
Coffee_Bean
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I really hope she's ok, has anyone heard anythine else yet? MDS???
viewfromahill
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I dont think anyone on here is criticising, but giving their opinion, isnt that a positive? We can take or leave those opinions as we would when training with a professional at whatever level ANY of us compete at - and this forum serves to inform/teach us and allow us to take away as much or as little as we want!
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Having watched the video I thought she rode the course really well before the fall, and honestly although she seemed to be going quite quickly on the way to the brush, I don't think there was anything in the approach that would have stopped Connie from jumping well - would definitely not surprise me if there was something medical in it.
Poor Laura - and lots of get well vibes to Connie.
Having watched the video I thought she rode the course really well before the fall, and honestly although she seemed to be going quite quickly on the way to the brush, I don't think there was anything in the approach that would have stopped Connie from jumping well - would definitely not surprise me if there was something medical in it.
Poor Laura - and lots of get well vibes to Connie.
teapot
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Sending the get well soon vibes to Connie - she's a fantastic little horse and looked to be eating it up before the fall. Glad Laura's ok too!
Haniki
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(((Vibes for Connie))). I really hope she is okay, she is such a gutsy little horse and Laura is one brave girl!
kerilli
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huge vibes for Connie, and sympathy for Laura.
i wasn't "slagging her off" i'd already said that i thought she was doing a really good job up till then.
there's a big difference between riding forward to fences (and i totally understand if that's the way the mare likes to be ridden, it's also the way XC is supposed to be ridden!) and letting them run on the forehand.
look at Sara Burdess over the last few fences. horse is tiring and trying to run on its forehand. she rebalances it (gets it off its forehand) and THEN rides it forward again to the fence. Copybook imho.
i wasn't "slagging her off" i'd already said that i thought she was doing a really good job up till then.
there's a big difference between riding forward to fences (and i totally understand if that's the way the mare likes to be ridden, it's also the way XC is supposed to be ridden!) and letting them run on the forehand.
look at Sara Burdess over the last few fences. horse is tiring and trying to run on its forehand. she rebalances it (gets it off its forehand) and THEN rides it forward again to the fence. Copybook imho.
Wishful
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Looked a bit quick but not too scary. Probably better to let Connie decide than be caught in the middle of an argument with head up not looking at fence under usual circumstances - looks very opinionated!
Starbucks
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Why is it that if you have a difference of opinion you are 'slagging' someone off??? Can't we all think differently???
Just because I think she was too fast into it doesn't mean I'm 'slagging her off' nor does it mean I think I can do better.
We all criticise riders in the public eye, doesn't mean we don't respect them for what they are doing.
I'm not going to sit here and say I thought she did the right thing at that fence just because she's 'one of us' as that's not what I think.
That is just my opinion, and have already said elsewhere I hope both are ok and fit to run another day.
If it had been a german rider (for example) that non of us know, would we have all thought the same thing?
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I just think it is a bit harsh thats all. If you saw a member at a lower level have a fall at an event Im sure you wouldnt come on here and say Oh Starbucks was going far too fast, it was very dangerous Or if you would then it would make me feel horrible, quite unnecessary IMO!! I dont see why it is any different with people at higher levels especially when you know they are going to come on and read it!!
Why is it that if you have a difference of opinion you are 'slagging' someone off??? Can't we all think differently???
Just because I think she was too fast into it doesn't mean I'm 'slagging her off' nor does it mean I think I can do better.
We all criticise riders in the public eye, doesn't mean we don't respect them for what they are doing.
I'm not going to sit here and say I thought she did the right thing at that fence just because she's 'one of us' as that's not what I think.
That is just my opinion, and have already said elsewhere I hope both are ok and fit to run another day.
If it had been a german rider (for example) that non of us know, would we have all thought the same thing?
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I just think it is a bit harsh thats all. If you saw a member at a lower level have a fall at an event Im sure you wouldnt come on here and say Oh Starbucks was going far too fast, it was very dangerous Or if you would then it would make me feel horrible, quite unnecessary IMO!! I dont see why it is any different with people at higher levels especially when you know they are going to come on and read it!!
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I just think it is a bit harsh thats all. If you saw a member at a lower level have a fall at an event Im sure you wouldnt come on here and say Oh Starbucks was going far too fast, it was very dangerous Or if you would then it would make me feel horrible, quite unnecessary IMO!! I dont see why it is any different with people at higher levels especially when you know they are going to come on and read it!!
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Actually, and without judging ElleJS either way, if I didn't know you (if I did then I would pick my moment and tell you to your face), but had seen the fall and realised from what you posted that it was you, then yes, I blooming well would tell you on here that I thought it was too fast and dangerous, especially if you were saying you thought it was ok (again not judging what ElleJS' response might have been either way).
It's even more important at the lower levels to tell people that kind of thing that at the higher levels IMO - the higher up you go (and the older you get
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I just think it is a bit harsh thats all. If you saw a member at a lower level have a fall at an event Im sure you wouldnt come on here and say Oh Starbucks was going far too fast, it was very dangerous Or if you would then it would make me feel horrible, quite unnecessary IMO!! I dont see why it is any different with people at higher levels especially when you know they are going to come on and read it!!
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Actually, and without judging ElleJS either way, if I didn't know you (if I did then I would pick my moment and tell you to your face), but had seen the fall and realised from what you posted that it was you, then yes, I blooming well would tell you on here that I thought it was too fast and dangerous, especially if you were saying you thought it was ok (again not judging what ElleJS' response might have been either way).
It's even more important at the lower levels to tell people that kind of thing that at the higher levels IMO - the higher up you go (and the older you get
kerilli
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i totally agree with SC.
i'd say what i thought to anyone. i've seen bad riding at the lower levels and if i knew the person i would tell them (nicely if possible.) i'm not nasty enough to walk up to a total stranger and tell them... but if i saw something bad enough i might.
i've just watched the vid of Kitty Boggis jumping the same fence at real speed. she rebalances coming down the hill and then rides forward in the last 3 strides, and the horse keeps his balance and sails it beautifully.
it isn't the speed that's the problem, it's the balance.
i'd say what i thought to anyone. i've seen bad riding at the lower levels and if i knew the person i would tell them (nicely if possible.) i'm not nasty enough to walk up to a total stranger and tell them... but if i saw something bad enough i might.
i've just watched the vid of Kitty Boggis jumping the same fence at real speed. she rebalances coming down the hill and then rides forward in the last 3 strides, and the horse keeps his balance and sails it beautifully.
it isn't the speed that's the problem, it's the balance.
Starbucks
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Ok, well maybe it's just me then.. but I can't say I've seen much criticism for us normal folk on here - not compared to top level.
My opnion is I'm sure EllieSJ and her trainers/family etc. can asses the situation and know how to move forwards from this (the people who actually know horse, what they are on about etc.), without some people off of HHO sticking their nose in!
I wish I had such a high opinion of myself to be able to dish out advice/critism to anyone and everyone!
My opnion is I'm sure EllieSJ and her trainers/family etc. can asses the situation and know how to move forwards from this (the people who actually know horse, what they are on about etc.), without some people off of HHO sticking their nose in!
I wish I had such a high opinion of myself to be able to dish out advice/critism to anyone and everyone!
SpottedCat
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It's not about having a high opinion of yourself.
If you cannot see what is bad in how someone else does something, how on earth are you meant to know what the ideal/good aspects are which you should be striving to achieve? That is true in life as a whole, not just in horses. Until you can distinguish the good ways of doing things from the bad you have no hope of improving IMO - how on earth can you tell whether what you are doing, or being told to do, is right or wrong?! By your logic, none of us would ever criticise our managers/bosses of companies, and I bet there isn't a single person on here who hasn't done that at some stage or other!
If you cannot see what is bad in how someone else does something, how on earth are you meant to know what the ideal/good aspects are which you should be striving to achieve? That is true in life as a whole, not just in horses. Until you can distinguish the good ways of doing things from the bad you have no hope of improving IMO - how on earth can you tell whether what you are doing, or being told to do, is right or wrong?! By your logic, none of us would ever criticise our managers/bosses of companies, and I bet there isn't a single person on here who hasn't done that at some stage or other!
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i saw it looked awfull i have the both amazing picture of her a few fences before it happened, just need to load it up
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QR I've avoided this post so far but can't help myself now: I'd just like to say how distasteful and thoughtless I've found some of the comments.
Can you imagine how ElleJS feels at the moment even before she reads all this? I know it's a public forum and everyone is entitled to have their say, but I think we should all try to see it from the other side of the fence for a change. Anyone who has got to that level will already be well aware of their strengths and weaknesses; add to that the pressure of top level competition and it doesn't always go as planned or as well as it potentially can for whatever reason.
Give the girl a break. I doubt that very few of us can really understand how it feels to be riding at Burghley, and to be so publicly discussed/criticised just seems a bit off in the circumstances.
Can you imagine how ElleJS feels at the moment even before she reads all this? I know it's a public forum and everyone is entitled to have their say, but I think we should all try to see it from the other side of the fence for a change. Anyone who has got to that level will already be well aware of their strengths and weaknesses; add to that the pressure of top level competition and it doesn't always go as planned or as well as it potentially can for whatever reason.
Give the girl a break. I doubt that very few of us can really understand how it feels to be riding at Burghley, and to be so publicly discussed/criticised just seems a bit off in the circumstances.
Starbucks
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It's not about having a high opinion of yourself.
If you cannot see what is bad in how someone else does something, how on earth are you meant to know what the ideal/good aspects are which you should be striving to achieve? That is true in life as a whole, not just in horses. Until you can distinguish the good ways of doing things from the bad you have no hope of improving IMO - how on earth can you tell whether what you are doing, or being told to do, is right or wrong?! By your logic, none of us would ever criticise our managers/bosses of companies, and I bet there isn't a single person on here who hasn't done that at some stage or other!
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I'm not saying no one can critisise others or that you shouldn't have an opinion, I just think that it sometimes kinder to keep you opinions to yourself if they are likely to make someone feel like cr*p. There is just no need for it at all!! Do you really think negative comments on here are really going to help ElleSJ in any way?
It's not about having a high opinion of yourself.
If you cannot see what is bad in how someone else does something, how on earth are you meant to know what the ideal/good aspects are which you should be striving to achieve? That is true in life as a whole, not just in horses. Until you can distinguish the good ways of doing things from the bad you have no hope of improving IMO - how on earth can you tell whether what you are doing, or being told to do, is right or wrong?! By your logic, none of us would ever criticise our managers/bosses of companies, and I bet there isn't a single person on here who hasn't done that at some stage or other!
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I'm not saying no one can critisise others or that you shouldn't have an opinion, I just think that it sometimes kinder to keep you opinions to yourself if they are likely to make someone feel like cr*p. There is just no need for it at all!! Do you really think negative comments on here are really going to help ElleSJ in any way?
SpottedCat
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It's not about having a high opinion of yourself.
If you cannot see what is bad in how someone else does something, how on earth are you meant to know what the ideal/good aspects are which you should be striving to achieve? That is true in life as a whole, not just in horses. Until you can distinguish the good ways of doing things from the bad you have no hope of improving IMO - how on earth can you tell whether what you are doing, or being told to do, is right or wrong?! By your logic, none of us would ever criticise our managers/bosses of companies, and I bet there isn't a single person on here who hasn't done that at some stage or other!
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I'm not saying no one can critisise others or that you shouldn't have an opinion, I just think that it sometimes kinder to keep you opinions to yourself if they are likely to make someone feel like cr*p. There is just no need for it at all!! Do you really think negative comments on here are really going to help ElleSJ in any way?
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No, not particularly, but then I was specifically not commenting on that, I was commenting on the fact that you said no-one should/would say anything if it was someone at the lower levels. I was just challenging that mentality because I think part of the problem with dangerous riding at Novice and above is because no-one pulls up people at PN and below and points out their errors any more. I wasn't saying I'd do any more than PM them, but I certainly would not sit by and let someone whom I'd seen ride dangerously in the flesh then come on here and assert that it was all fine without trying to tactfully correct their opinion, that's all.
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It's not about having a high opinion of yourself.
If you cannot see what is bad in how someone else does something, how on earth are you meant to know what the ideal/good aspects are which you should be striving to achieve? That is true in life as a whole, not just in horses. Until you can distinguish the good ways of doing things from the bad you have no hope of improving IMO - how on earth can you tell whether what you are doing, or being told to do, is right or wrong?! By your logic, none of us would ever criticise our managers/bosses of companies, and I bet there isn't a single person on here who hasn't done that at some stage or other!
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I'm not saying no one can critisise others or that you shouldn't have an opinion, I just think that it sometimes kinder to keep you opinions to yourself if they are likely to make someone feel like cr*p. There is just no need for it at all!! Do you really think negative comments on here are really going to help ElleSJ in any way?
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No, not particularly, but then I was specifically not commenting on that, I was commenting on the fact that you said no-one should/would say anything if it was someone at the lower levels. I was just challenging that mentality because I think part of the problem with dangerous riding at Novice and above is because no-one pulls up people at PN and below and points out their errors any more. I wasn't saying I'd do any more than PM them, but I certainly would not sit by and let someone whom I'd seen ride dangerously in the flesh then come on here and assert that it was all fine without trying to tactfully correct their opinion, that's all.
Starbucks
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I didn't say no one should say anything, I said that no one WOULD say anything... Because I've never scene anyone say anything at lower levels on here.
Tactfully correcting someone via PM is totally different to chatting about what someone did/didn't do wrong on an open thread when they are not even here!
I also think it would be different for an experienced person to give an inexperienced person advice, but it would pee me off a bit if I was a 4* rider and had a load o f poeple who don't ride at that level telling me what I should have been doing.
Tactfully correcting someone via PM is totally different to chatting about what someone did/didn't do wrong on an open thread when they are not even here!
I also think it would be different for an experienced person to give an inexperienced person advice, but it would pee me off a bit if I was a 4* rider and had a load o f poeple who don't ride at that level telling me what I should have been doing.
H_J
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QR I've avoided this post so far but can't help myself now: I'd just like to say how distasteful and thoughtless I've found some of the comments.
Can you imagine how ElleJS feels at the moment even before she reads all this? I know it's a public forum and everyone is entitled to have their say, but I think we should all try to see it from the other side of the fence for a change. Anyone who has got to that level will already be well aware of their strengths and weaknesses; add to that the pressure of top level competition and it doesn't always go as planned or as well as it potentially can for whatever reason.
Give the girl a break. I doubt that very few of us can really understand how it feels to be riding at Burghley, and to be so publicly discussed/criticised just seems a bit off in the circumstances.
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Couldnt agree more, I personally would like to see this post deleted before Laura comes on here. Cant believe some people
QR I've avoided this post so far but can't help myself now: I'd just like to say how distasteful and thoughtless I've found some of the comments.
Can you imagine how ElleJS feels at the moment even before she reads all this? I know it's a public forum and everyone is entitled to have their say, but I think we should all try to see it from the other side of the fence for a change. Anyone who has got to that level will already be well aware of their strengths and weaknesses; add to that the pressure of top level competition and it doesn't always go as planned or as well as it potentially can for whatever reason.
Give the girl a break. I doubt that very few of us can really understand how it feels to be riding at Burghley, and to be so publicly discussed/criticised just seems a bit off in the circumstances.
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Couldnt agree more, I personally would like to see this post deleted before Laura comes on here. Cant believe some people
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Couldnt agree more, I personally would like to see this post deleted before Laura comes on here. Cant believe some people
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Sadly I think the damage has been done and we've probably lost one of our nicest, most helpful and most talented members of the CR forum.
Couldnt agree more, I personally would like to see this post deleted before Laura comes on here. Cant believe some people
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Sadly I think the damage has been done and we've probably lost one of our nicest, most helpful and most talented members of the CR forum.
SpottedCat
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Couldnt agree more, I personally would like to see this post deleted before Laura comes on here. Cant believe some people
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Sadly I think the damage has been done and we've probably lost one of our nicest, most helpful and most talented members of the CR forum.
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That's a real shame if so
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Couldnt agree more, I personally would like to see this post deleted before Laura comes on here. Cant believe some people
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Sadly I think the damage has been done and we've probably lost one of our nicest, most helpful and most talented members of the CR forum.
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That's a real shame if so
Cyrus
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Couldnt agree more, I personally would like to see this post deleted before Laura comes on here. Cant believe some people
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Sadly I think the damage has been done and we've probably lost one of our nicest, most helpful and most talented members of the CR forum.
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Couldnt agree more Boss
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Couldnt agree more, I personally would like to see this post deleted before Laura comes on here. Cant believe some people
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Sadly I think the damage has been done and we've probably lost one of our nicest, most helpful and most talented members of the CR forum.
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Couldnt agree more Boss
missshell
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Im glad Laura is ok
Lots of vibes for Connie xx
Im glad Laura is ok
Lots of vibes for Connie xx