Potential new horse a mystery!

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Hi! I'm usually more of a lurker but after trying to find more info on the web without success I thought I'd ask for people's opinions on here!

A friend bought a horse from the sales which I am very interested in buying BUT after reading the sales results at the auction on line I decided to do a bit of digging as it listed his sire and passport nbr..

I emailed the relevant organisation with his name and passport nbr etc and received an email to say that it was coming up that the horse was sent for slaughter!!!!

I suppose what I'm asking is for people's experiences and opinions on why this would happen? My friend does have the passport and it doesn't seem to be fake :-/

Thanks for reading! X
 
Is it definitely for that horse?

The more cynical person (like me quite often) would wonder about unscrupulous slaughterhouse operation..

Is the horse chipped? I'd have a scan done to try to find out more that way if it has one.. And see if the PIO can pass on a letter from you to the last recorded owner?

Perhaps it's simply an administrative error within the PIO? Can hope..
 
There are a few scenarios I can think of, the horse was sent to slaughter by previous owner, who informed the passport issuers, it did not get there for some reason sold off the lorry en route possibly.
Sold out of slaughter yard, not legal but probably happens.

A mistake with the number, you need to check the passport he has with him really is the same, it could be a different horse.

A change of plan by previous owner to get some money or give the horse a chance of finding a home.

It is strange that he comes up as slaughtered, I thought the passports had to be returned and would not expect the PIO to know any other way, unless an insurance company has told them.

It is in your interests to find out the true story before buying, if he has been claimed on insurance you will possibly have difficulty insuring him, he may have an underlying problem that will show up, or he is a lucky horse that is fine and just ended up at the sales for no reason.
 
not sure if its relevant but my horse came with a dodgy passport. All the details seem to match bar his age. I have checked it out with the issuing body and they list it as a genuine passport. I have no idea how it was done but the horse is about 5 or 6 years older than stated. He also has a line of white hair where you would expect to find a micro chip.
There are no gaurantees with any horse but as with any horse i would get this one vetted by your choice of vet if you are planning to buy.
 
That's the really odd thing! She does have the passport..he is so sweet and lovely and it's all speculation but I suspect he has come from a hunting background and had an accident and is maybe unable to carry on..

Does anyone know the legal implications for myself if I were to buy him? X
 
I think your only legal implications are if insurance is involved and you try to insure a horse that has a serious defect that later shows up if you try to claim, I would get it fully vetted then if there is a problem it will either show up or you should be covered.
I would contact an insurance company with details and ask for a quote, it may be that he shows as a horse that has been claimed on, they probably wont say why but it may be interesting to know.
 
The trouble is with passports they are so easily tampered with. Does the horse have a microchip and has it been checked against the passport??

Hope you find out :)
 
According to the passport he is apparently microchipped.. That is the only way to find out I suppose! I'm just such a Busybody who loves to get to the bottom of things lol x
 
Passport and chip errors do happen - although I have no idea how. A freind has a pony which they were told had lost its passport so a replacement passport was obtained from the PIO by the dealer when the pony was sold to them. That passport bears his microchip number - although it may be that he was chipped after the first passport was issued. However the pony described in the passport, and in the associated BSJA record, is a skewbald. The pony they actually have is an iron grey. But he is micro chipped and his microchip number matches that shown on his replacement passport.
 
The whole passport system seems ridiculous! My friend bought a horse from a dealer, the mare came with a passport which my friend duly sent to the passport office to get changed into her name - the passport people told her that the passport no was registered to another horse altogether and that the passport was faked, so they kept the passport and someone from trading standards got involved. The passport included a chip number but when the horse was scanned by the vet the chip the horse had was diffierent to the chip no on the passport - but the markings on the passport were all correct (she is a coloured mare so there was no doubting this bit) Trading standards came out to interview my friend, and told her that it is very common for (shall we say) "certain types" of dealers to not bother passporting their horses, but to re-use passports perhaps from deceased animals or combine two passorts to make up a fake one, trading standards had actually got an ongoing case investigating a perticular "group" of associated dealers who had sold on horses which turned out to have faked passports.

So it would seem that just because your friends horses passport shows a certain possible history, this is actually no real gaurantee that the horse that is shown on the passport is actually the same horse. If you like it, i would get your friend to sort out the passport side of things - ie send in the passport and get it investigated, and i would have the horse thouroughly vetted then make my mind up - you could well end up with a lovely little horse that has just been given the wrong label!
 
be positive said:
I think your only legal implications are if insurance is involved and you try to insure a horse that has a serious defect that later shows up if you try to claim, I would get it fully vetted then if there is a problem it will either show up or you should be covered.
I would contact an insurance company with details and ask for a quote, it may be that he shows as a horse that has been claimed on, they probably wont say why but it may be interesting to know.
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I would NOT contact the insurance company at this stage. You can only be expected to declare problems that you are aware of - not problems that MIGHT have occurred in the past which you have no first hand knowledge of and are based on something someone in an office who has never even seen the horse says. This is most likely a FAKE passport the information re the slaughter could well refer to a completely different horse altogether and it would not be in your best interests to label the horse your friend has with this history. The best way to ensure you are covered on insurance is to have a full vetting - the insurance company aill then take this as the starting point, if the Vet gives the horse the all clear you know all is ok, and the insurance company will accept the vets certificate. The passport is just "paperwork" and should not be relied on to tell you anything much about the horse - you need an independant assessment.
 
maresmaid said:
I would NOT contact the insurance company at this stage. You can only be expected to declare problems that you are aware of - not problems that MIGHT have occurred in the past which you have no first hand knowledge of and are based on something someone in an office who has never even seen the horse says. This is most likely a FAKE passport the information re the slaughter could well refer to a completely different horse altogether and it would not be in your best interests to label the horse your friend has with this history. The best way to ensure you are covered on insurance is to have a full vetting - the insurance company aill then take this as the starting point, if the Vet gives the horse the all clear you know all is ok, and the insurance company will accept the vets certificate. The passport is just "paperwork" and should not be relied on to tell you anything much about the horse - you need an independant assessment.
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My reason for suggesting contacting insurance company for a quote, something that can be done prior to vetting or purchase, is that it may be that even a full vetting may not pick up on a real problem, kissing spines for example may not be found, there are many conditions that are well hidden and an insurance company can refuse to insure whether a horse passes a vetting or not.
Yes it may be a different horse, there are many reasons that need looking into as to where this horse has come from but the OP could end up with an unsound horse and if she can cover all angles before buying it makes sense to do as much as she can.
 
How bizzarre, i cant offer u any advice unfortunately- but i am following this post with interest, i will be intriged 2c the result- having never delt or been around a horse sent 2the slaughterhouse- i just wonder how this is all possible. I hope you get 2the bottom of this & that there is a happy ending for both u & the horse x
 
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