Pramox now or later?

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I'm a little bit confused about the good old worming calendar and wondering if anyone can help me? Going back to the summer I honestly thought I had everything ordered nicely in my brain and have a copy of the wormers direct worming calendar, but since then I've got myself confused again and not sure what to do?

Am I right in thinking that; If I use Pramox now (after first frost) it will cover him for ESR and TAPE this winter, or do I need to worm him again for ESR in Dec/Jan? Thanks :)
 
kellybee said:
I'm a little bit confused about the good old worming calendar and wondering if anyone can help me? Going back to the summer I honestly thought I had everything ordered nicely in my brain and have a copy of the wormers direct worming calendar, but since then I've got myself confused again and not sure what to do?

Am I right in thinking that; If I use Pramox now (after first frost) it will cover him for ESR and TAPE this winter, or do I need to worm him again for ESR in Dec/Jan? Thanks :)
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I don't use Equest as it doesn't treat pinworm and PW have been a nightmare this year. However i have always been led to believe and when i have used it i followed:-

Spring - Pramox
Summer - Equest
Autumn - Pramox
Winter - Equest

Bots (not tapeworm) are treated generally after the first hard frost and can be treated with the Equest only. The Pramox does the tapeworm which should be done spring (march / april) and autmun (Sept / Oct)

So i'm guessing you didn't do for tapeworm in the autumn and gave Equest? If not i would give Pramox now (after hard frost) but don't give it again 13 weeks later (spring), just give a normal Equest.

Equest is given every 13 weeks so you are covered for ESR and roundworm all year round. Pramox is just Equest with Praziquantel added in for Tape
 
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Ive just wormed mine with Equimax which covers tapeworm, its similar to Pramox. I then usually do an ordinary Equest in Jan/Feb for the encysted redworm cover. My Vets also advise this.
 
So using this now will not be effective against the encysted small redworms? I am sure my vet told me that worming after the first frost will cover the ESR too?
 
Izzwizz said:
Ive just wormed mine with Equimax which covers tapeworm, its similar to Pramox. I then usually do an ordinary Equest in Jan/Feb for the encysted redworm cover. My Vets also advise this.
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Equimax is good because it also does Pins. I use Equimax for Tape and Eraquell for the rest of the time, except for Feb where i use Pancur 5 day guard to cover the ESR which apparently is not covered with Equimax or Eraquell. Although i could do what you do and use the Equest in Feb instead of the 5 day guard.....i didnt think of that!
 
kellybee said:
So using this now will not be effective against the encysted small redworms? I am sure my vet told me that worming after the first frost will cover the ESR too?
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Yes it will cover ESR.

ESR are killed off with Moxidectin, Equest is purely Moxidectin and nothing else. The only difference with the Pramox is that it contains Praziquantel for tape aswell as the Moxidectin. You are covered for ESR with Equest / Pramox all year round
 
ESR / Roundworm / Bots - Equest (Moxidectin)

All of the above plus Tape - Equest Pramox (Moxidectin and Praziquantel)

However if you want cover for pinworm you need a wormer that contains Ivermectin (Equimax / Eraquell / Eqvalan) instead.
 
Izzwizz said:
Eqvalan Duo also covers for tapeworm, cant remember exactly what else it covers without looking it up.
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Unfortunately i am paranoid about worms!!

Eqvalan Duo does Roundworm / Tape / Bots and Pin. It doesn't do ESR. If you want cover for ESR you need 5 day guard or Equest in February
 
you should be worm counting then only worming if needed to avoid resistance not just worming 4 times a year. yes worm this time of year for tape and encysted as tape is not done by worm count but by blood sample. westage labs do a very good job with worm counts. there are no new worming drugs coming in the pipeline so this is all we have.
 
Equest is now the only wormer on the market that significantly works.
Using other wormers without worm count first can increase the worms immunity. Soon there will be no wormers that work.

All this is complicated by tape worm/ red worm etc which is not found in worm counts. It is advised to equest now and then again in the spring. ( although not any equine which is in poor body condition already) and then worm count 4 times a year whilst maintaining good pasture management.
 
scribble said:
you should be worm counting then only worming if needed to avoid resistance not just worming 4 times a year. yes worm this time of year for tape and encysted as tape is not done by worm count but by blood sample. westage labs do a very good job with worm counts. there are no new worming drugs coming in the pipeline so this is all we have.
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Thanks for all your replies folks!

Just to clarify re the above quote - We do worm count the rest of the year. The original post was because my horse had a huge ESR burden when I first had him and having spent the whole summer putting weight back on him I'm super paranoid about worms. The vet advised me to use Pramox at the time and again this winter which I wrote in my diary and now I'm just trying to clarify whether worming with Pramox now means I wont have to worm again until next Tape is due. Or should I Equest him after the new year?

ETS: My horses dont have pinworms. We treated for those in March and have had no further problems.
 
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kellybee said:
Thanks for all your replies folks!

Just to clarify re the above quote - We do worm count the rest of the year. The original post was because my horse had a huge ESR burden when I first had him and having spent the whole summer putting weight back on him I'm super paranoid about worms. The vet advised me to use Pramox at the time and again this winter which I wrote in my diary and now I'm just trying to clarify whether worming with Pramox now means I wont have to worm again until next Tape is due. Or should I Equest him after the new year?

ETS: My horses dont have pinworms. We treated for those in March and have had no further problems.
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Sorry i know your post was about ERS and not PW - (i only added in PW because not everyone is aware that PW aren't covered with Equest).

I was always told by the vet February was the time to do ERS, but safe bet is to listen to what your vet says
 
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Ah, thanks now I understand. So should I be worming them again after New Yr for the ESR or do I just pramox now and treat for tape in spring?
 
kellybee said:
Ah, thanks now I understand. So should I be worming them again after New Yr for the ESR or do I just pramox now and treat for tape in spring?
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If it was me i would Pramox now, this treats for Tape and ESR.

If your still uneasy about the ESR do an Equest only (not Pramox) in February (or at around 13 weeks) to be on the safe side. Then continue with worm counts for the rest of the year, until time comes round again for Tape
 
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yaffsimone1 said:
If it was me i would Pramox now, you will be treating for Tape and if ESR are present the Pramox will get them also. If your still uneasy about the ESR do an Equest only (not Pramox) in February to be on the safe side. Then continue with worm counts for the rest of the year, until time comes round again for Tape
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Thanks so much. Until 12 months ago have always been on a livery yard and despite having horses 25yrs have never really understood or made an effort to get my head around worming. Since moving to our own place I have studied endlessly, particularly since my standie dropped a horrific amount of weight last jan/feb (the lady we had him from wormed him before he was delivered but we later realised the wormer didn't cover ESR). It's all so very confusing. Just when I thought I had it all in hand and went online to buy their wormers yesterday, I realised I know what to do now but wasn't sure WHY the vet told me to worm after the first frost (ie that covers the autumn and winter or that would just be the autumn dose).

Really helps, thanks :)
 
kellybee said:
I realised I know what to do now but wasn't sure WHY the vet told me to worm after the first frost
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I know how you feel

In the past i've wormed every 8-10 weeks or the horses were worm counted (depending on the yard rules).

I've never had to the need to research worming much but my mare got a bad pinworm burden (fortunately the least harmfull) which is sorted now.

I had to move yards in the end because it became apparent other people were not worming their horses, there wasn't a poo picking routine, those that did worm was spending a fortune clearing the burden only to turn horses out and get reinfected again!

Now i'm own my own yard and all i do now is worm for bots and tape and worm count rest of the time because our paddocks are properly managed. Although i'm still mega paranoid, quite often i can be seen staring up my mares bumhole!

Hard frosts and cold conditions causes the eggs laid on pasture to become dormant and kills larvae.

It has been said for many years that Bots should be treated after the first hard frost because at this point all the adult flies would have died, i guess this theory is the same for ESR larvae.

I believe if a horse is infected with ESR this will show in winter and spring time, which would make sense to worm now for ESR before winter really sets in
 
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