Pramox wormer, and no turn out for three days.

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Anyone else doing this? I read on the wormer blurb that you should not turn out for three days! All our four live out, our two year old has spent one night inside in her life, and I cannot imagine what they would be like stabled for three days. We have a very basic five acre field, and three stables, so no chance to turn out in a school as you could at a 'proper' yard. I'm thinking that the bast I can do is put them in a clean field after worming, and relegiously poo pick every last scrap, but I'd be interested in anyone elses views!
 
I've used Pramox & didn't keep them in. Infact, I didn't even read the blurb!
They were in at night & then I poo picked the following day. Back in the following night too.
 
I read that too, but never keep mine in. Hope it doesn't affect the soil or something. My two are the only ones in their field and are wormed together, so hoping this is ok.
 
Ive just wormed mine with pramox and they live out. I never bought them in. The soil looks fine!
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mine alweays stay in for 3 days after worming as don't see the point in worming them to put them in the field to poo all the worms out.

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that's complete rubbish - it is completely unnecessary to keep them in after worming. if they have got any worms they'll be dead when they pass them out anyway!

and in answer to the original question - the only reason Pramox say to keep in is coz they dont know what the drug does to the soil etc - it's nothing to do with how it works on the horses.
 
That was my understanding of it too....... I actually rang and asked the manufacturer because I am unwilling to keep mine in due to his dodgy fetlock!!

And in 10 acres of grass.... I aint running round to find it either
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that's complete rubbish - it is completely unnecessary to keep them in after worming. if they have got any worms they'll be dead when they pass them out anyway!

this is a matter of opinion and as much as i apprechae what you are saying this is the way i have alway done it and always will and in my opinion IT IS NOT COMPLETE RUBBISH
 
sorry, but it is complete rubbish - show me some scientific evidence that says it's needed. it's not just my opinion at all - it's been scientifically tested - keeping them in is not necessary full stop.
 
Well ican't bve bother arguing with you. my horse all stay in as do my liveries when worming and it is my vets worming programme i use and i will continue to do it that way. i personally don't give a s*** what you think about my way of worming as it works for me and keeps my fields worm free
 
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sorry, but it is complete rubbish - show me some scientific evidence that says it's needed. it's not just my opinion at all - it's been scientifically tested - keeping them in is not necessary full stop.

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What she said!! ^^^^^
 
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Well ican't bve bother arguing with you. my horse all stay in as do my liveries when worming and it is my vets worming programme i use and i will continue to do it that way. i personally don't give a s*** what you think about my way of worming as it works for me and keeps my fields worm free

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oh well, i just feel sorry for all those horses kept in for 3days completely unnecessarily.

I am a vet, I do know what I'm on about! There is no argument from my side. If you dont want to learn about current scientific evidence that might benefit your horses then more fool you and pity them.
 
maybe you should think about wording things in a proffesional way then. i am doing what i feel is best for my horses and have an exellent equine vet who is more than happy with my way of worming. i am always happy to learn thing but not from arugent people with an attitude like yours
 
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maybe you should think about wording things in a proffesional way then. i am doing what i feel is best for my horses and have an exellent equine vet who is more than happy with my way of worming. i am always happy to learn thing but not from arugent people with an attitude like yours

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i do apologise, i get rather emotive about the thought of horses being shut in their stables for 3 days unncessarily.
 

i do apologise, i get rather emotive about the thought of horses being shut in their stables for 3 days unncessarily.

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its ok think we both got a bit on our high horses lol. my horses don't get stuck in they get took out in hand or ridden as i like my horses out every day even if its just for a stretch of legs
 
3 DAYS?! Totally daft IMO!

Our yard rule is in for 24 hours which bugs me cos I think it's unnecessary but rules are rules and each to their own
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i do apologise, i get rather emotive about the thought of horses being shut in their stables for 3 days unncessarily.

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Me too
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And getting taken out in hand or ridden is not even remotely comparable to actually turning a horse out... They arent out just for excerise, IMO its a big mental thing that horses MUST have time outside.
 
It is up to each individual whether they keep their horses in or not, but it is a load of rubbish that you need to keep them in.
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at our yard we dont have a worming programme we all worm when we want to and everyone does it at different times. No horse on our yard has ever had a problem due to worms.i have also had mine worm counted and they have come back clear so she didn't need to be wormed. our fields dont get rested and are not poo picked (they are about 10aces). so we do just about everything wrong and when eva anyone has ahd a worm count done they have been fine, so maybe there is no reason for us to do some of these things??
 
Worm counts only test for adult stages of worms(not tapeworm), so you should still worm for tapeworm and encysted redworm whatever the worm count says!
As for the OP I have used pramox and haven't noticed any adverse things happening to the soil!
 
And getting taken out in hand or ridden is not even remotely comparable to actually turning a horse out... They arent out just for excerise, IMO its a big mental thing that horses MUST have time outside. [/quote

there is no diffrence from keeping them in for a fewe days for worming and keeping them in the whole winter due to there being no winter turnout. my horses get out every day all year round except worming times
 
i worm mine before bed. they go out as normal the next day
i poo pick everyday anyway...
i wouldnt bother keeping them in and certainly not for 3 days, i think its totally unnecessary.
 
Tikino why do you have to answer with such unnecessary agression?
Just because someone disagrees with you there is no need to be so rude!
As for arguing back at a vet, perhaps if you had spent is it 7 ? years training intensively to treat animals perhaps people would consider you knew what you were talking about, but sorry, you don't.....
As for attitude, errmmm, perhaps pot/kettle/black springs to mind?
I've been reading Star's posts for several years and have never ever read one that wasn't helpful and certainly never unprofessional.
 
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Tikino why do you have to answer with such unnecessary agression?
Just because someone disagrees with you there is no need to be so rude!
As for arguing back at a vet, perhaps if you had spent is it 7 ? years training intensively to treat animals perhaps people would consider you knew what you were talking about, but sorry, you don't.....

sorry if you think i am being agressive. it is not intended that way and i do respect it is 7 years to become a vet. i was not arging with star but just stating that my own vet is well aware of my own worming programme and is quite happy with it. i am sorry that i replied to this post as feel as tho everyone is ganging up on my due to me way of worming my horses. i am not an agressive person but a very stressed out person at the moment. so all i can do is say sorry to anyone who i have offended espically star
 
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As for the OP I have used pramox and haven't noticed any adverse things happening to the soil!

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That's probably because you don't regularly analyse the composition of your soil microbes
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There is a very good reason to keep them in with paramox, post worming it is fatal to dogs. So if you have revolting ones like mine you have to keep the horses in and the terriers off the muck heap.

I am guessing that same thing could happen to foxes and other wildlife if they nosh on horse poo with paramox in.

For these very nasty type wormers (not ivermectin) you really should keep your horses in.
 
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There is a very good reason to keep them in with paramox, post worming it is fatal to dogs. So if you have revolting ones like mine you have to keep the horses in and the terriers off the muck heap.

I am guessing that same thing could happen to foxes and other wildlife if they nosh on horse poo with paramox in.

For these very nasty type wormers (not ivermectin) you really should keep your horses in.

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This is also why I keep my horses in after worming. I don't want my dog, chickens, other animals to ingest the wormer.

I also think it is better to not have droppings on your land just after worming with pramox. There has not been enough research to prove that is is safe to do this. The manufacturer would not tell you to keep horses in for 3 days after worming just for the fun of it!!
 
i dont know much about the effect on soil and what have you but i do know if you keep your horse in after worming for more than just overnight you are more likely to cause your horse problems with colic or tying up, as you have removed the horses routine.
 
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