Ditchjumper2
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As a young horse I would buy, with price reduction. buy a tub og Global Herbs Sar Ex and feed 2 scoops morning and night.
Pre-Purchase vetting- Sarcoids. Gutted.
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Dusty85
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Spottyappy
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I would expect to have a sizeable price reduction, but the sedation for shoeing would concern me more.
If she is the perfect horse, however, I would negotiate the price and take her home.
You may walk away and regret it.
Yes, sarcoids are a pita,but they are not always problematic.
If she is the perfect horse, however, I would negotiate the price and take her home.
You may walk away and regret it.
Yes, sarcoids are a pita,but they are not always problematic.
soulfull
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I would definetly walk away
I bought a horse with 2 small sarcoid after vet advice.
Two years later I had to sell as he wasn't the right horse for me. I lost. £3500
People only want to pay peanuts
Also had another who really didn't like shoes being put on. 20 months later was diagnosed with suspensory ligament damage
I lost him to that in the end. So I'm alwYs suspicious of a horse that is otherwise good to handle having a problem having shoes on. Especially as he was fine to pick feet out etc
I bought a horse with 2 small sarcoid after vet advice.
Two years later I had to sell as he wasn't the right horse for me. I lost. £3500
People only want to pay peanuts
Also had another who really didn't like shoes being put on. 20 months later was diagnosed with suspensory ligament damage
I lost him to that in the end. So I'm alwYs suspicious of a horse that is otherwise good to handle having a problem having shoes on. Especially as he was fine to pick feet out etc
stormox
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I don't know why people are fussing about the shoeing 'issue'- shes 4 years old and has probably only had 2 or 3 sets in her life. OP said she was just fidgety, not downright evil. I have known lots of young horses be sedated or twitched for their first few sets- after they realise what its all about and get used to it, theyr fine.
Puzzled
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None of this would put me off. I've had several horses over the years with the odd sarcoid, all have been removed and never came back. If it was around the girth I may think a little harder but not in chest area. As for the rest, there's no such thing as the perfect horse.....and if you did find one it would probably be talentless with a dodgy temperament! I'd rather take a few faults with a good temperament than the other way around.
eggs
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The sarcoid on a young horse would not stop me buying. Would it be suitable to be layered off?
Not keen on the sedation for shoeing - it costs my friend to get hers shod as he has to have IV sedation every time. I've had a number of youngsters and they have never needed sedating from their first set onwards.
Not keen on the sedation for shoeing - it costs my friend to get hers shod as he has to have IV sedation every time. I've had a number of youngsters and they have never needed sedating from their first set onwards.
ester
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It bothers me too that they didn't mention it.
I would want to determine what price reduction they would accept (other than keep her on the market and hope someone else doesn't vet) and what exclusions the insurance would put on her - just sarcoids or any other skin conditions?
I would want to determine what price reduction they would accept (other than keep her on the market and hope someone else doesn't vet) and what exclusions the insurance would put on her - just sarcoids or any other skin conditions?
Nudibranch
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I'd speak to your potential insurer and clarify what will and won't be covered.
I'd seriously consider whether she could go unshod, if you have the management options to do so. For her own health as much as the shoeing issue. I know some will say that's rubbish but there you go.
Then I'd go back to the vendor and discuss a reduced price.
I have just bought another horse and he had a sarcoid, mud fever and ulcers! Sounds downright stupid I know, but he is a project, cost me pennies and I have access to the necessary drugs. Three weeks on, mud fever cleared, ulcer symptoms gone and he is a little star. Not the same thing at all but keep an open mind
I'd seriously consider whether she could go unshod, if you have the management options to do so. For her own health as much as the shoeing issue. I know some will say that's rubbish but there you go.
Then I'd go back to the vendor and discuss a reduced price.
I have just bought another horse and he had a sarcoid, mud fever and ulcers! Sounds downright stupid I know, but he is a project, cost me pennies and I have access to the necessary drugs. Three weeks on, mud fever cleared, ulcer symptoms gone and he is a little star. Not the same thing at all but keep an open mind
Dusty85
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Me too. Although they are adamant they hadnt noticed it.
They have offered a price reduction- only by £500 however, so not sure she's cheap enough to take a chance.
They have confirmed that my deposit is refundable too, which is good to know.
The owners have said that if she's insured for less than 3k I wouldn't need to provide a vetting certificate, but I would still worry that it would still be an exclusion. And it's fraud to lie!
Echo Bravo
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Either you want to buy her or not, don't waste the sellers time, some one out there won't be worried and she really doesn't sound like your ideal horse.
Dusty85
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In all fairness; you have no idea what my ideal horse is
_GG_
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So If you do really well with her and need to insure her for more? Then what?
You know my thoughts but you are not wasting anyone's time. You are allowed more than 12 hours to consider quite a few points raised by the vetting.
Honey08
Waffled a lot!
The four year old that I bought was insured for 3k and they still wanted to see his vetting certificate and they excluded sarcoids. I still paid what we'd agreed, I didn't get any money off him (never asked ). There have been small sarcoids that I've not noticed until I clipped him, and others that disappear. They may not have noticed for real. They do sound pretty honest to me.
Illusion100
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Sarcoidosis is unpredictable. Personally, from experience with working for equine vets and equine insurance, it's a 'wide berth' condition. Due to this I'd walk away from this horse as difficult as it would be.
All sarcoids are tumours, many harmless, some not. Bottom line is all sarcoids are cancerous. If treatable they can be expensive and painful to remove.
That said, I've seen a lot of them removed with great results, a few cases not so good at all. I just don't want you to buy the horse and suffer heart ache. On the other hand it may not be an issue. Just go with your gut feeling and hope it's right!
All sarcoids are tumours, many harmless, some not. Bottom line is all sarcoids are cancerous. If treatable they can be expensive and painful to remove.
That said, I've seen a lot of them removed with great results, a few cases not so good at all. I just don't want you to buy the horse and suffer heart ache. On the other hand it may not be an issue. Just go with your gut feeling and hope it's right!
fawaz
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I would be more put off by the conformational issues than the sarcoid. Horses become unsound so easily especially in disciplines like eventing which put so much strain on straight legs without increasing your chances by buying a horse with crooked legs and long pasterns.
Pasterns are the crucial pivot point of your horses suspension system. Remember your horse is going to be landing after jumps and galloping on those legs in all kinds of going and long pasterns don't absorb shock as well as shorter ones and cause the tendons to have to stretch further then they should.
80% of your horses weight is distributed when moving to the front legs.
The turned in fore leg is going to put more strain on the fetlock and knee. Increasing your chances of knee and fetlock chips and injuries to the splint bone.
Personally I would try and fine something closer to perfect....
Won't the sarcoid interfere with a breastplate between the front legs?
Pasterns are the crucial pivot point of your horses suspension system. Remember your horse is going to be landing after jumps and galloping on those legs in all kinds of going and long pasterns don't absorb shock as well as shorter ones and cause the tendons to have to stretch further then they should.
80% of your horses weight is distributed when moving to the front legs.
The turned in fore leg is going to put more strain on the fetlock and knee. Increasing your chances of knee and fetlock chips and injuries to the splint bone.
Personally I would try and fine something closer to perfect....
Won't the sarcoid interfere with a breastplate between the front legs?
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ester
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For a £500 reduction I would be walking away. I think it is a different kettle of fish if a horse you already own gets them and that + her not ideal front legs (I know you won't necessarily get the perfect horse but the two issues together would just be a no for me.)
ihatework
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Well you went into the vetting knowing about the shoeing & longish Pasterns, so in some ways those are kind of out of the equation.
The sarcoid is obviously a surprise finding and you are not a time waster by taking time to further consider this finding.
It might be worth taking a photo and getting Prof K opinion?
If you really like the horse another option would be the sellers treat the sarcoid and then you complete the purchase providing the treatment is successful.
The sarcoid is obviously a surprise finding and you are not a time waster by taking time to further consider this finding.
It might be worth taking a photo and getting Prof K opinion?
If you really like the horse another option would be the sellers treat the sarcoid and then you complete the purchase providing the treatment is successful.
Jenny Wrenny
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Difficult situation but I would certainly walk away. There is no sense in buying a problem, no matter how much you like the horse. You can try your best to convince yourself that it might never be an issue and listen to success stories of sarcoids falling off etc etc but it is still a serious problem. I know two very well respected local vets who would advise to steer well clear.
MS123
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I would walk away I'm afraid. In your position as someone who wants to event? (I think I read that somewhere) the long pasterns is a definite no no. I think you'd be setting yourself up for problems and vet bills. That's aside from the other issues (or potential issues) listed.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
I guess in my head the issues add up to more than the sum of their parts, but guess others would be different on this.
Dusty85
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Thanks again for everyones replies- I really do appreciate people's opinions.
I have made the decision to walk away.
I think its the cumulative affect of the sarcoid, some abnormal looking skin by her udders, the toe in fores/longish pasterns and the sedation currently needed to be shod were just too much of a combined risk for me to take. Also- the resale implication if we didn't click and likely insurance exclusions.
Im really disappointed as she was such a lovely person. She will still make someone a lovely horse, but in my experience horses have a frustrating tendency to developing issues, at least I can try and give myself a head start by not starting with any in the first place!
I may live to regret, I may not. Time will tell I suppose. Frustrating to have spent money on a vetting I guess but then maybe it was money well spent by saving myself a lot of heartache and money down the line. Ive learnt a lot anyway just from this vetting- so Im sure that will help me with the next one.
I guess that means Im back to square one with the search! Who ever said horse shopping was fun!
I have made the decision to walk away.
I think its the cumulative affect of the sarcoid, some abnormal looking skin by her udders, the toe in fores/longish pasterns and the sedation currently needed to be shod were just too much of a combined risk for me to take. Also- the resale implication if we didn't click and likely insurance exclusions.
Im really disappointed as she was such a lovely person. She will still make someone a lovely horse, but in my experience horses have a frustrating tendency to developing issues, at least I can try and give myself a head start by not starting with any in the first place!
I may live to regret, I may not. Time will tell I suppose. Frustrating to have spent money on a vetting I guess but then maybe it was money well spent by saving myself a lot of heartache and money down the line. Ive learnt a lot anyway just from this vetting- so Im sure that will help me with the next one.
I guess that means Im back to square one with the search! Who ever said horse shopping was fun!
_GG_
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Thanks again for everyones replies- I really do appreciate people's opinions.
I have made the decision to walk away.
I think its the cumulative affect of the sarcoid, some abnormal looking skin by her udders, the toe in fores/longish pasterns and the sedation currently needed to be shod were just too much of a combined risk for me to take. Also- the resale implication if we didn't click and likely insurance exclusions.
Im really disappointed as she was such a lovely person. She will still make someone a lovely horse, but in my experience horses have a frustrating tendency to developing issues, at least I can try and give myself a head start by not starting with any in the first place!
I may live to regret, I may not. Time will tell I suppose. Frustrating to have spent money on a vetting I guess but then maybe it was money well spent by saving myself a lot of heartache and money down the line. Ive learnt a lot anyway just from this vetting- so Im sure that will help me with the next one.
I guess that means Im back to square one with the search! Who ever said horse shopping was fun!
Well I am wooing enjoying horse shopping by proxy for you!
Anyway, get to bed woman!
Bojingles
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As I'm currently going through sarcoid treatment with my mare, I'd not take the risk, sorry. It may be that it goes, never comes back, and you have no problems. On the other hand, it could grow, proliferate and you could end up with a poorly horse and whacking great vet's bill.
JoJo_
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Good decision I think. You'll never know what could have been but if those issues became big problems after buying her, you would regret not walking away now a lot and I think thats worse.
fawaz
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Thanks again for everyones replies- I really do appreciate people's opinions.
I have made the decision to walk away.
I think its the cumulative affect of the sarcoid, some abnormal looking skin by her udders, the toe in fores/longish pasterns and the sedation currently needed to be shod were just too much of a combined risk for me to take. Also- the resale implication if we didn't click and likely insurance exclusions.
Im really disappointed as she was such a lovely person. She will still make someone a lovely horse, but in my experience horses have a frustrating tendency to developing issues, at least I can try and give myself a head start by not starting with any in the first place!
I may live to regret, I may not. Time will tell I suppose. Frustrating to have spent money on a vetting I guess but then maybe it was money well spent by saving myself a lot of heartache and money down the line. Ive learnt a lot anyway just from this vetting- so Im sure that will help me with the next one.
I guess that means Im back to square one with the search! Who ever said horse shopping was fun!
I think you have made a really good decision. When you look at the above post, that's a lot of things not quite right with this horse, before you have even started your partnership.
Honey08
Waffled a lot!
I think you sounded 75% decided from your first post and you'll feel better now. Good luck with the search.