Prelim Regionals

The reason I am asking is because Grace has just achieved 2nd place with 67%... so we would just need one more qualifier at 1st or 2nd if this is the case
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You can't do summer regionals and area finalsat the same level but I'm not sure if you can do winter regional if you have done area final at that level.I hope someone can tell us. Does doing area festival stop you doing winter regionals , the rules are so complicated.I have a feeling some on here qualified for petplan at winters and winter champs from regionals ,so I suppose you can but I'm not at all sure.
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Can you do the Area Finals and the Regionals????

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According to my understanding of the rules you can - well at least I hope you can as I've qualified for both at NR!!!

You can't do the AFs if you've done regionals at the same level (or higher) held in that year so if you'd done the winter or summer regionals in 2007 then you couldn't have done the AFs at the same level (e.g. I did summer regionals at prelim so did AFs at novice). If you do complete your qualification (which I'm sure you will!) and compete at the winter regionals (held in 2008) this of course means that you can't do the 2008 AFs at prelim (but of course you won't want to because you'll be way too good by then!)
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If it was against the rules it would be ridiculous as BD are supposed to encourage progression up the levels...

If you were to go to the regionals and get through to the Nationals then maybe you'd decide choose but not necessarily because of rules but because of the spirit of AF finals...
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Let me explain a bit better as all these rules confuse me
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I have qualified for the Area Festival final (semis or whatever it is called) in Prelim and Novice for the ones at Hartpury April 2008.

I have done 1/2 qualification for Winter Regionals at Prelim.
 
Yes, I know
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- I tied myself in knots over it because I'd half qualified for the winter regionals before I'd sent off for my entry for the AFs and of course wanted to try and complete the qualification but still wanted to do the AFs especially as it was by no means guaranteed we'd manage another 1st so I read and re-read and I think I've got it all straight in my head!

I was pointing out about the Area Festivals themselves as there'd be no point entering them if you wouldn't be eligible to do the Finals if you know what I mean! And it would be silly if they were to stop you doing the regionals as you'll still want to be out competing having qualified for the Finals and qualifications for regionals can just happen!
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Sorry it comes across garbled but: according to my understanding you can do both the winter regionals (held in 2008) and the Festival Finals (also in 2008 at Hartpury)!
 
Just re-red my post above: I didn't do the AFs expecting to qualify for the finals
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I'm not that presumptuous (I nearly didn't go as I had a lot on and thought it was pointless as we didn't stand a chance!) - we only winged it!!!
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But the way I think of things is if you're eligible for the qualifiers (for whatever) then you're eligible for what they qualify for... if you know what I mean!
 
The rules state:
141.a. Combinations competing at Summer/Winter Regional Championships in 2007 will not be eligible for Area Festivals at that level or below... The regionals you hope to qualify for will be held in 2008 so this does not apply to you

They then go on to say:
141.l. Once qualified for the Area Festival, combinations may compete even if they subsequently upgrade To me this refers to the Area Festival not the finals but if you can subsequently upgrade surely you are permitted to achieve at the same level!

Hope this helps!!!
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Ok, I hope that this may help you!!! Maybe not!!!

I have qualified for the AF this year in Elementary and will be doing this in September. I have also qualified for Elementary Regionals which I will be doing in Feb/March next year. Now IF I am lucky enough to qualify at the AF in September, that will mean I can go and do AF at Hartputy. Now, IF I qualify in Feb/March Next year at Regionals (yeh right!! in my dreams!!) I can apparently do that too! Both Elementary. But one will be AF and one will be the actual Nationals both at Hartpury.
 
Ah, so I qualified for the Area Festival in 2007 (final is 2008) so could also do the Regionals in 2008? Think I may email BD to see what they say as it seems to be a bit vague in the rule book.
 
Thanks FREESTYLER...

So, I have already qualified for the AFs at Hartpury in April (Prelim and Novice), so could then do the Regionals whenever they are next up north and should I qualify for the Nationals I could do both in April in Prelim and the Areas at Novice?
 
Yes, probably email them just to put your mind at rest but the only rule that refers to the AFs and Regionals with reference to each other is 141.a. and that does not apply to you as you didn't compete in any regionals this year (2007)
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Hang on... I think I have it!!!

If I qualify for the winter regionals with Grace this time, I will not be able to do the Area Festivals at that level in 2008 (August time up here). But, I have already done them and am through to the next stage so would not be doing the same level again anyway. Is this right??? This would mean I could do the winter regionals, and the area final I have already qualified for in August 2007.
 
I believe so because the Regionals will be another year.. ie. 2008 and in rules it says not eligible for AF at that level or below in THAT YEAR...ie. 2007, and as Regionals will be in 2008 should all be ok!! Phew!! Hope I got that right!!!
 
I presume that means if you do a winter regional [ next spring ]you can't do the area festival at the same level next summer. Also if you did the winter regionals earlier this year your could not do the area finals, at the same level this summer.
 
Yes, all quite right but it does get really confusing, doesn't it?
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The reasoning is that as the Regionals are deemed to be of a higher standard than the AFs, there is no problem in you progressing up from AF to Regional but you can't do the Regional and then slip down to do an AF in the same year.

It can appear strange though as someone could, and has, competed in the AF Final and the Winter Championships which are held at the same venue and time, at one level.
This can be as FREESTYLER says because the combination would have qualified through to the AF Final BEFORE doing their Winter Regional.

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Not sure what everyone else has written, but you cant do the summer regionals and petplans at the same level, however you CAN do the winter regionals and petplans at the same level (bizarre i know)!

Well done, im sure you will get the other placing really easily hun xx
 
God... I am glad I have people on here who know what they are talking about
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I got an email back this morning from BD saying that I could compete in both... I don't know why I am even thinking about it yet as I have only 1/2 qualified
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No PG, you can't do winter regional next year and do petplan next year at same level. It is complicated but winter regional are treated the same as summer but in the next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
The ruling is -

"Combinations competing at Summer/Winter Regional Championships in 2007 will not be eligible for any Area Festivals at that level or below in that year with the exception of freestyle to music classes when they will only loose their eligibility to compete in Area Festivals if they compete at the Winter Championships or Wellington Championships."

The rationale is that a rider who competes at a Regional may not go on to compete at an Area Festival as the Regional is considered the more prestigious competition.

However, upwards progression from AF to Regional is fine and very much to be encouraged.

Therefore - and assuming that all these are at the same level -

Wiinter Regional 07 and Area Festival 07 - NO (except for Music)
Winter Music Champs 07 and Area Festival 07 - NO
Summer Regional 07 and Area Festival 07 - NO
Area Festival 07 and Winter Regional 08 - YES
Area Festival Final and Winter Champs Apr 08 - YES

The last is very much up for discussion as there is a strong body of opinion that a rider who qualifies for both the Area Festival Final and the Winter Championshps at the same level should chose which to attend as attending both is not within the sporting spirit. However, at the moment, it is permitted to do both.
 
I don't see why you shouldn't be able to do both... you have paid for all the qualifying classes, have qualified, therefore should have the choice to compete in both. If your horse is at that level, then you have the right to expect to be included... if your horse is perhaps above this level then I do think you need to think about whether you should do both (for example the horse is out competing Elementary regularly) as there are people there who own horses that truly are Prelim level
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I agree, I believe if you upgrade you are allowed to compete if you have qualified ,so what is the difference ,just because you have managed to improve enough to qualify at winters you should still be able to do you area final
 
I agree too.

If they stop that then BD should also stop riders and or horses competing in the Championships if they have upgraded/changed rider groups since they qualified.

( I don't agree with that either.......both scenarios potentially discourage riders to progress themselves and their horses.)
 
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