Pricing query

[Ceriann]

Having been royally beaten up by the buying process - latest one that made it here turned out to far from as described so was moved on - I am even more cautious than before. I appreciate I am looking for a very sought after type - a nice experienced all rounder that I can do some low level jumping, fun rides etc on that my novice husband can also hack. Doesn’t need to be a weight carrier as OH not large - I have a decent budget. I have just seen a possibility but am looking for advice re price. Horse is an ISH (not looked at breeding), described as a nice easy person, BE history (incl recent) at 80/90, done everything you’d expect of a well used all rounder. Told would hack with my OH. Bonus is its smart too. Early teens. If you assume all that is right what are thoughts on the likely price range? It’s really hard for me to gauge as so few come up!

 

[nutjob]

I was looking for a similar thing but younger, 4-7 age range. Obv at 4 I would expect to be green / just backed. With a budget of £10k I was looking for over a year and couldn't find anything that was not lame, had behavioural problems or snapped up quickly by someone else prepared to buy unseen. I do think the market is cooling a bit now but I would still think you would need at least £10K if not more for something safe enough for a novice and ready to go out BE. I haven't really looked in that age range, but for below 10yo I would think about £15k. I have ended up buying a 2yo as I needed a horse more urgently and couldn't wait for a not lame one to come up which was on the market long enough for me to view.

 

[Tiddlypom]

I'd say that such a horse, if both genuine and sound, is worth its weight in gold.

 

[Ceriann]

As you say lots of babies out there and have seriously considered it appreciating I’m making a few compromises. This is probably a better horse than needed but that’s kind of fine - ticking the boxes and much more is more manageable than the alternative. I think over £10k is probably right - just how much more!

 

[Ceriann]

I'd say that such a horse, if both genuine and sound, is worth its weight in gold.

I hear you! I’m letting my recent experiences get the better of me! I know sellers have a rough time too but OH is getting a really bad view of the market!

 

[ycbm]

BE90 and smart looking and a good hack?

If it isn't £15k and will pass a vet, then the owners are naive or stupid. I could see it selling for £20k with the right marketing.
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[Polos Mum]

If will pass a vet and is as they say (nice, hackable by novice but BE 90 capable) then no change out of £18-20k - if a nice size - less if 17.2
So many people are looking for this type.

I am very cynical so I'm actually surprised a horse like that wouldn't be sold through word of mouth (as you've seen they rarely come up) - I would view with my eyes very very open to be sure there aren't niggles

You say early teens I'm guessing 13 - if said horse was 16 / 17 my price view would be different and I'd want clean xrays not just vetting.

 

[Ceriann]

From the ad (forgot to mention this in my original post) and v recent history (just found) looks like she’s perhaps no longer performing at 90. Done ok at 80 earlier in the year. Not an issue for me unless there is a soundness issue and the price is right.

 

[spacefaer]

@Polos Mum
if 17.2hh then easily that price. Horses that tick all those boxes and are that height, for the right person, are worth their weight in platinum! If you need a big horse, there are even fewer of them than anything 16hh-ish.

 

[Bernster]

Agreed something around +/- 15k if the market is still as hot as when I was looking earlier this year.

 

[Rumbaba]

At least two that match your requirement exactly (on paper of course) on Horsequest at the moment for 15k. I’m an avid window shopper, prices are by no means crashing but I think between 10-20k they have reduced over recent weeks by 2-3k

 

[ihatework]

Between 10 and 20 k depending on how smart, how competitive and how sound it is.

 

[PeterNatt]

If you are looking for a general purpose happy family horse why are you wanting to buy an ex- event horse which is past it's prime and will probably be far to difficult for your better half to ride and control?

 

[AmyMay]

If you are looking for a general purpose happy family horse why are you wanting to buy an ex- event horse which is past it's prime and will probably be far to difficult for your better half to ride and control?

That’s what I was wondering.

 

[Ceriann]

If you are looking for a general purpose happy family horse why are you wanting to buy an ex- event horse which is past it's prime and will probably be far to difficult for your better half to ride and control?

I think I said assuming horse is as described - which is a nice personality and ok to hack a novice. I’m not looking for a past it’s prime eventer that will over horse my OH. I am looking for a nice all rounder and as I’ve found, this is incredibly difficult to find so not sure looking outside the box is the worst idea.

 

[ycbm]

If you are looking for a general purpose happy family horse why are you wanting to buy an ex- event horse which is past it's prime and will probably be far to difficult for your better half to ride and control?

A horse that's done BE 90 is hardly a description of an ex eventer that will be difficult to control! That class is TWO heights lower than the class called Novice, that was originally the starter level for BE.

I would expect most horses to be capable of a 3ft course and able to be ridden by someone who was not "an eventer".
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[Red-1]

If you are looking for a general purpose happy family horse why are you wanting to buy an ex- event horse which is past it's prime and will probably be far to difficult for your better half to ride and control?

I had an ex event horse, who threw in the towel at Novice but usually won a numnah or suchlike at BE100. He was a total schoolmaster, not too difficult at all. I did put him up for sale at 12 years old, as I wanted to do Novice and above, but people didn't apparently see his value (was asking 12K in 2008), so Mr Red bought him for himself! Taught him to do his up-downs in trot, then he did pleasure rides, dressage comps etc. I borrowed him back a few times to event, just for a jolly. He would still do a BE100 without much prep.

Not sure why you presume an ex event horse will be tricky? Mine had mileage on the beach, on the road, at shows, teaching many people to ride too.

 

[ycbm]

I'm not sure what better description you could have of an all rounder than a horse which will do a Prelim dressage test, jump 3 ft show jumping and 3ft cross country and is good to hack.

Sounds perfect for you to me.

 

[Red-1]

OP, in answer to your question, I was looking for a nice horse too this summer. I doubled my budget and still couldn't find anything. Would have paid over 20K, but still the cupboard was bare! Ended up with a 4yo, and a grey at that . I would have waited for the market to settle down, but I had already waited over last winter.

That said, the 4yo is a total dude. I am blessed. I think, for me, bringing on another baby is perfect - just not what I set out looking for!

 

[Ceriann]

I had an ex event horse, who threw in the towel at Novice but usually won a numnah or suchlike at BE100. He was a total schoolmaster, not too difficult at all. I did put him up for sale at 12 years old, as I wanted to do Novice and above, but people didn't apparently see his value (was asking 12K in 2008), so Mr Red bought him for himself! Taught him to do his up-downs in trot, then he did pleasure rides, dressage comps etc. I borrowed him back a few times to event, just for a jolly. He would still do a BE100 without much prep.

Not sure why you presume an ex event horse will be tricky? Mine had mileage on the beach, on the road, at shows, teaching many people to ride too.

He would have been perfect and worth every penny and much more! Lucky Mr Red!

 

[asmp]

Having been royally beaten up by the buying process - latest one that made it here turned out to far from as described so was moved on - I am even more cautious than before. I appreciate I am looking for a very sought after type - a nice experienced all rounder that I can do some low level jumping, fun rides etc on that my novice husband can also hack. Doesn’t need to be a weight carrier as OH not large - I have a decent budget. I have just seen a possibility but am looking for advice re price. Horse is an ISH (not looked at breeding), described as a nice easy person, BE history (incl recent) at 80/90, done everything you’d expect of a well used all rounder. Told would hack with my OH. Bonus is its smart too. Early teens. If you assume all that is right what are thoughts on the likely price range? It’s really hard for me to gauge as so few come up!

similar to this?

https://www.nfed.co.uk/cgi-bin/clas...lay_db_button=on&db_id=170420&query=retrieval

 

[Muddy unicorn]

similar to this?

https://www.nfed.co.uk/cgi-bin/clas...lay_db_button=on&db_id=170420&query=retrieval

That’s about a third of the price horses with that kind of record are going for at the moment so there must be some kind of back story ..,

 

[YorkshireLady]

I would think seeing the record may give clue re the price bracket.....

 

[Ceriann]

similar to this?

https://www.nfed.co.uk/cgi-bin/clas...lay_db_button=on&db_id=170420&query=retrieval

This has evented at 2* so suspect is more than pushing the boundaries of my nice all rounder criteria. The one I was referring to had done BE80/90 so a different league.

 

[teapot]

That’s about a third of the price horses with that kind of record are going for at the moment so there must be some kind of back story ..,

I would think seeing the record may give clue re the price bracket.....

Also worth noting the photos they're using, which again suggests price is reflective of the actual horse, not the market.

 

[ycbm]

Also worth noting the photos they're using, which again suggests price is reflective of the actual horse, not the market.

I'm not sure I understand this comment, those are BE Novice height fences if that's a 16.2 horse and it's described as having BE Novice placings.

I agree with MU, she is half price or even less for a good looking young BE Novice horse. The record and possibly the vet history would be very interesting to see.
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[ycbm]

Those photos are at practice sessions, the rider isn't wearing competition gear. It seems likely that the seller hasn't evented the horse or you would expect to see competition photos. I'm intrigued now about the story!
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[teapot]

Those photos are at practice sessions, the rider isn't wearing competition gear. It seems likely that the seller hasn't evented the horse or you would expect to see competition photos. I'm intrigued now about the story!
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That was the point I was getting at Could be 101 reasons mind you, but if seller hasn't evented it themselves, record is older (though only 10...) it would suggest reasons for the lower price than perhaps others would be going for.

 

[nutjob]

The horse is at a sales livery and I would hazard a guess that these photos are a pro rider on board and not the actual owner of the horse.

 

[exracehorse]

The horse is at a sales livery and I would hazard a guess that these photos are a pro rider on board and not the actual owner of the horse.

intriguing.. if we knew horse name we could check record .. history .. seems far too cheap at that price