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my yo is a shall we say a erm spoilt brat. ive had various issues with her, one of which is her turning out random horses with mine. The last time this happened i said look if im not here please just put a set of boots on my horse, so from that day on a set of boots are left ready.

to day i get to the yard, to discover she has put another random horse with mine. and no boots on mine.

its not so much the injury factor, but my horse is a show horse, going on her progress next years qualified shows etc i value her at 7k.. so not a cheap horse, one bump on her legs and thats it, bye bye hoys etc.

so tonight i was really upset she had done it but as she carried on i lost my rag. and let rip. infact for me i was still actually placid.

overal result is i will be moving my horse. but chances are it will be on livery still,

so guys how the hell do you handle these matters? i understand that a yo has us all over a barell, but i just cant risk my horses, i cant always get to the yard at short notice hence why a set of boots were always avalible.

im so annoyed about this tonight, the yard offered all i needed hence staying.. after my old mare re done a tendon injury due to yo shoving a new horse out with her, and my old lad got colic thanks to the same yo.

am i unreasonable to want to batter her?
 
i feel just like you do tonight. Although i didn't trust myself to let rip. All i ask is to be left alone to do my own thing, i pay my livery and expect to recieve a proffessional service. God i wish i could afford my own yard!
 
no, you're right, it is YOUR horse so the YO should do what you want. you are the customer, not there to be bossed around etc.
when i had liveries i only interfered if it was in the horse's best interests - if the owner had left the horse in overnight with no water or hay (yes, really), if the owner claimed the horse could not be turned out at all because it went mad (cured in 2 days) etc etc.
 
You cant handle them. My YO has put a 14 month old colt out with my two mares. Put her mares elsewhere. there was no reasoning with her. Result - I am leaving. I have 4 horse to move and a years supply of hay. i found a place 5 minutes away my own field and stables and cheaper than her.
 
Id be fuming too, I have a little welsh show pony, who to me is worth a lot, not quite 7k, in fact all my horses are worth a lot to me!
I wouldn't be happy with someone turning out in my field with any of my horses incase they got injured
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Its not very nice that she's putting you in such a position really. But then if she's a spoilt brat then she wants she gets.
IMO move
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Very frustrating when you have a YO like that. I moved my mare to a yard where we had individual turn out. Paddocks were small and you had to skip them out daily etc to keep them in some sort of order but at least you didn't have the worry about them being kicked by another horse.
I think I would be looking for another yard with better arrangements for turn out.
 
Well twice bitten - thrice shy. I'm amazed you're still there.

No professional yard would do what she's doing. So your well out of there.
 
well the end result was her suggesting i leave before we fell out.. bit late we already had i pointed out, my mare will be moving... off to see a ten box yard tomorrow that im intrested in renting, other than that.. im not sure i could deal with a livery yard every again .
 
Before i moved to the yard i am on i felt like that about livery yards,however YO is fantastic,horses are paired and if they get on they stay together,if not they are promptly removed and another partner is found for them
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,fields are swapped about if we have newbies so they can be introduced to who they are going out with,and they are all suited and booted before they go out together!she would never dream of chucking other horses out without consulting owners first,i think what your YO is doing is very irresponsible,would love to see the contract(wether it states she can put what she likes out with who when she feels like it??),and what would happen insurance wise should she get another horse seriously injured through her irresponsibility?
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Anyway added above just to let you know,not all yards are bad
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the contract says nothing about her side of anything, only about us not paying etc.

the livery yard shouldnt even be there, no planning permission for stables, or business rates paid etc.

im sure not all yards are like it, and some of the things she does is beyond beleife, ive stayed due to facilties, turnout, etc. but long ago i stopped her touching my horses, the last one she decided to move on her own accored reared and stamped on her.. *sniggers a little*
 
Look for somewhere better and have a list of things that are essential and things that you would like, but aren't vital. There might be a yard that is perfect for you, you just have to find it.

It sounds like the most important thing for you is individual turnout. I'd get looking for a yard which offers this facility.
 
Sounds like she does not have a clue how to handle horses, let alone run a livery yard and charge people for the pleasure!


Definitely get gone, YO's like this are a liability.
 
to be fair as bratty as she is she doesnt get the livery money her mum does,.. but it still funds her and her lame horses!

i know im better gone.. and think it will benefit my horse aswell, as an unsettled new lass shes been out with more new horses than any horse should deal with!
 
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Haa & there is the answer to your problem. The yard is not actually legitimate. No Planning Permission. No Business Rates. No doubt it is also on the cheap as it goes into the YO's back pocket. Until horse owners stop using such facilities it wont get any better!

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totally agree there! Sadly, i am pretty much surrounded with these kinds of yards which makes it very hard to run a decent yard! (ie. liveries refuse contracts, as no other yard has them etc!)
 
I think you've just had bad luck. My yard is lovely, and our YO looks after every horse with the same care and attention as if it's her own, and she thinks nothing of staying up all night if one of the livery's isn't 100% well.
I am perfectly confident in leaving my 2 boys in the yards care, and I am very fussy, especially with my TB!
The horses at our yard are turned out in carefully selected pairs, and many of the horses are booted up as routine.

If my TB had been turned out unbooted with an unknown horse, I'd be so livid.
 
Hi,
I am a YO and try really hard to accommodate my liveries. I sometimes lie in bed worrying that they are ok!!!
I NEVER turn a horse out with others with out permission from all owners and try my best to keep my horses separate from liveries. The horses welfare and interests are top of my agenda. I tyr to treat my liveries as I would want to be treated. This shows as I do not have a big turn around and they are pretty much here to stay once they have arrived!!
I also do everything by the book i.e. insurance, business rates, H&S and planning for everything so it does annoy me when others don't. An annomous phone call to your council could be in order there!
I hope you get sorted and yes, renting your own yard is good but comes with all sorts of other hassles!!
Good luck
 
thanks guys, i knew i wasnt being unresonable, it was when she said she had a 7k sj i lost my rag.. LOL right so that would be the same sj that u took to the sales and it didnt even reach 3k.. oh and its lame and your scared to ride it..

a set of boots that all she had to do, she walked past my tack room on the way to turn the horse out, my mare is easy to catch, doesnt kick etc

if i had found her with a kick i would of been devasted.

im sure other yards arnt like this, this is the first livery yard ive been on, so its been a total eye opener,

as to the call to the council, LOL need i say more!
 
Move move move. We left a yard last year as in the end it got to the point hwre the yard owner got so bored of us REPEATEDLY asking for the fencing to be fixed he actually bought a 'livery owners fencing repair kit' ie a bot of nails and a hammer, and expected us to fix our own! Now if we were paying very cheap rates and essentially just renting the stable/field, fine, but we weren't, we were paying for LIVERY and he was quite happy to enforce new rule after new rule.
So glad we left, I had started to dread going down there. New yard isn't totally perfect but at least YO cares about horses and they are the main priority, rather than his own convenience like the last place! Its nice actually enjoying going to the yard again!
 
Well thanks for your comments, just read one of your problems..
Sounds like you are way to precious, if you are on a livery yard you have to expect your horse to get turned out with others.
All the horses at the yard are precious to the people who own them, why is yours so bloomin special??
By the way I can tell a poor horse thanks, some young horses when they are having growth spurts, look poor thats why I had bloods done. Did'nt you know that, are you not experienced enough to know that?
Seems to me that you and allot of the people on this site are stuck up their own jacksy, think you are all so experienced.
Just goes to prove, never ask horsey people their opinion, always get a load of control freaking, PMT'd crazy women answering!!:D
 
ponykiss69 said:
Well thanks for your comments, just read one of your problems..
Sounds like you are way to precious, if you are on a livery yard you have to expect your horse to get turned out with others.
All the horses at the yard are precious to the people who own them, why is yours so bloomin special??
By the way I can tell a poor horse thanks, some young horses when they are having growth spurts, look poor thats why I had bloods done. Did'nt you know that, are you not experienced enough to know that?
Seems to me that you and allot of the people on this site are stuck up their own jacksy, think you are all so experienced.
Just goes to prove, never ask horsey people their opinion, always get a load of control freaking, PMT'd crazy women answering!!:D
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:confused: Go back under your bridge please.

OP- she sounds totally unprofessional. A professional, knowledgeable YO would not turn out random horses with someone elses- boots or no boots. And boots wont protect the knee, hock, whatever so i think you have been too lenient tbh!

Definately move and ring the council!
 
ponykiss69 said:
Well thanks for your comments, just read one of your problems..
Sounds like you are way to precious, if you are on a livery yard you have to expect your horse to get turned out with others.
All the horses at the yard are precious to the people who own them, why is yours so bloomin special??
By the way I can tell a poor horse thanks, some young horses when they are having growth spurts, look poor thats why I had bloods done. Did'nt you know that, are you not experienced enough to know that?
Seems to me that you and allot of the people on this site are stuck up their own jacksy, think you are all so experienced.
Just goes to prove, never ask horsey people their opinion, always get a load of control freaking, PMT'd crazy women answering!!:D
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You are nuts!:eek:
 
ponykiss69 said:
Well thanks for your comments, just read one of your problems..
Sounds like you are way to precious, if you are on a livery yard you have to expect your horse to get turned out with others.
All the horses at the yard are precious to the people who own them, why is yours so bloomin special??
By the way I can tell a poor horse thanks, some young horses when they are having growth spurts, look poor thats why I had bloods done. Did'nt you know that, are you not experienced enough to know that?
Seems to me that you and allot of the people on this site are stuck up their own jacksy, think you are all so experienced.
Just goes to prove, never ask horsey people their opinion, always get a load of control freaking, PMT'd crazy women answering!!:D
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There was a thread on here the other day about rude equestrian people. I think the above quote is from one of them. :D :D

Our YO is very caring and professional and she carefully teams up horses that can be turned out safely together without conflict, and she would NEVER turn a new horse out with an existing livery without telling the existing livery's owner first. I think more YO's operate their yards like mine than the above!
 
I've never heard of this sort of behavior in all my years of owning horses, the first yard i was at was split grazing with boys and girls seperate, once they where in a group that was it nothing new was added to them, at my second yard it was the same thing but as i had 4 geldings and 1 mare i was given a field for my boys and my mare went out with my yard owners mare only, then where i had them just before I sold them, my boys where split into pairs, and my mare went out with the yard owners daughters mare and that was it, I think its just luck i guess, could you possibly have a written agreement drawn up?? I dont understand some people thinking they have the right to interfear with other people's horses as and when they want.
 
Hi

I am fortunate enough to be on a yard where the y/o tries to manage which horses go out with which to get a settled mix. sadly not all y/o's are so understanding. Also some times new horses that are usually quiet turn out to be nightmares when they change yards.

The flip side is livery users who are unreasonable. Our Y/O had to ask one to leave recently as in the year she was on the yard she constantly moaned, **** stirred, her horse booted a person in the field and she claimed this was made up, it also booted the yard manager who then refused to turn it out again and she moved round the yard twice to different boxes and then expected her horse to move into another persons stable who had been on the yard in the same box for 5 years!
 
Ponykiss69, you are out of order, God help any equine on your yard, next stage slaughter????. YO owner has a duty of care for clients and equines in their care, that is why they run a yard??. And also they should have insurance against accidents. But if it was me I'd find somewhere else if you can and I know I shouldn't say this, but deck her one the day I left.:D:D:D
 
Horrid situation to be in:( Find a new place immediately, move horses, tell YO to poke it up her ar5e and then make a call to the relevant authorities. Good luck:)
 
ponykiss69 said:
Well thanks for your comments, just read one of your problems..
Sounds like you are way to precious, if you are on a livery yard you have to expect your horse to get turned out with others.
All the horses at the yard are precious to the people who own them, why is yours so bloomin special??
By the way I can tell a poor horse thanks, some young horses when they are having growth spurts, look poor thats why I had bloods done. Did'nt you know that, are you not experienced enough to know that?
Seems to me that you and allot of the people on this site are stuck up their own jacksy, think you are all so experienced.
Just goes to prove, never ask horsey people their opinion, always get a load of control freaking, PMT'd crazy women answering!!:D
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And the professionial livery YO's are are experienced and do their best must be furious to read such an idiotic post as yours. Our YO must have nearly every combination on the yard which she has to manage - so horses that need to be solo, horses that will not stay out for long, horses who play very hard, youngsters who need the good grazing, laminitic prone ponies who need diets... oh btw - its her who makes most of the rules with little input from the owners. Oh well.
 
well PK.. my horse "so blooming special" cause shes a horse id never have the money to replace and IS a very promising baby. as a paying client i EXPECT any YO/YM to basically do as they are asked.. they work on what isay not what they fancy doing cause they own the land.. now before you think it,this does not meen I was a unresonable livery..... hence the demand of IF your putting a new horse out with mine i dont CARE what it costs me just boot mine up.... id say that was pretty fair to be honest.


any way I did move. to another livery yard that was so badley run and the people so damn bitchy that was it i put my mare on full livery at a college.


i totally understand not all yards are like this, and for thosse YO/YM that really do care about clients good on you i know your out there, and to be honest any client you have i really hope they understand just how lucky they are.

i will also say that i think if livery yards had to be approved half of the issues ive found on the last 2 wouldnt happen.
 
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