Problems with fellow liveries.....help please?

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I am posting this on behalf of a friend as she is not on the forum but is looking for a little advice. She has two horses one of which goes to and from college with her, the other lives out all year round. Another livery on her yard keeps a little 20yr old mare in with her horse who has to live out which generally is not an issue. We’ll call the mare P and her horse who lives out Y and the other D.

Y is a native type and is a very good doer, he was fed a little through the harsh months of winter just to help him a little, he is not in work and therefore backed off through winter, as would happen in the wild, and let to put on weight through summer to tide him through winter. Around march time my friend stopped feeding Y as he didn’t need it and was the weight she wanted for that time of year, given how he lives, although to many may have appeared underweight. However she has discovered (now she is back from college) that the owner of P has not only been feeding P haylage but Y also without her permission therefore Y is carrying too much weight currently. The owner of P is incredibly naive and believes that haylage is lower in sugar than hay and my friend is very concerned for P’s welfare as she has been laminitic in the past and is currently very very overweight, although her owner believes she is underweight as she is showing ribs but surely in an older horse as everything slackens off that is very common (P has a huge apple bum and horrifically cresty neck). The owner has finally stopped feeding Y haylage and stopped tip-bitting him. However she does consistently tell my friend that she thinks Y is slightly underweight (I can assure you he isn’t) without considering his lifestyle. Which of course concerns my friend as she worries this owner is still feeding him.

She is now home from college with her other horse D and he is also now out in that field. He is soft as anything and very un food orientated as horses go. He is a very one person horse and so really doesn’t bother about anyone else, but this other owner is insisting my friend go down every time she feeds her mare to make sure D doesn’t get in the way (he never moves from where he is grazing while shes being fed). She has done this everyday for 2 weeks now and last night a very bad and very avoidable situation occurred due to other owners naivety.

P was being fed outside the field and Y was standing at the gate waiting for her as usual. P’s owner didn’t have a headcollar so used a bit of haylage to get her back in the field she put it down and of course Y went straight over to take it (usually when this happens P lets him have it) but last night they ended up bum to bum kicking the living daylights out of eachother, at this point my friend was in the field holding D who she'd just caught to bring in who started rearing and being very protective over my friend while the two others were going for eachother. P’s owner just stood with her hands over her mouth doing nothing and my friend ended up having to walk between Y and P when there was a lull in the fight with her other horse, (they both move away from him as he is boss), and throw a fly mask at her other horse Y to get him to move and give up (which obviously is not a good thing)

Understandably she is very concerned of this happening again but Y and P are generally very happy together, this is the first time this has happened and they both need company. It all (in her mind) comes down to this owners naivety as it could have easily been avoided. Is there anything she can do or say to try and avoid this?


Sorry its really long, cookies for getting to the end! :p
 
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Too long winded to read fully, I'm afraid.

But - who looks after your friends horse whilst she is away at college? If it's not someone who can ensure this horse gets as little or as much as it needs - simply move it.
 
I think she is really worried that if she asks for the paddock to be split that the other horse, P, will be moved into a different paddock and then her horse, Y, will be left alone all night when D comes in.
 
Amymay-the other person has finally stopped feeding her other horse extra feed/hayledge, so its not really about how much feed he is getting anymore
 
Why does your friend have to hold her college horse when the other woman takes her horse out of the field to feed anyway? (as she should!)

The fight was kicked off because she put down one pile of haylage and they fought over it. Quite simply tell there not to do that again, it is a basic horse management thing not to put one pile out for 2/3 horses! Will always end in a fight.

In terms of the horses weight, bit difficult to tell without a photo if she's underweight or not. We have 2 very old tbs at our yard, one lives out 24/7 yr round and both are kept so you can't see their ribs. Sometimes you can see their ribs (end of winter, or just before field move) but they still look to have a belly as such, but if you condition score them they score poorly. What type of horse is it?
 
OK, so tell your friend to leave both her horses out at night just now.

Or as amy said, move.

Someone already asked, who looks after your friends pony when she is at college?
 
galaxy- she asked my friend to keep her horses out of the way while she brings P back into the field, which is why she had hold of D as the mare was coming back in, so she was just going to bring D in once the livery put her mare back. she cant get out of the field while P is being fed due to the way the fields are split up.
The mare is a haflinger with a huge cresty neck and massive apple bum.
 
If I understand this right, the problem is that two of the horses had a bit of a kick over haylage? I wouldn't really lose any sleep over this. Horses mess about with each other, of course there is a small chance one of them will get hurt, but it's a chance worth taking to have them out together.

I would suggest the other livery use a headcollar to move her horse around which should put an end to fights over food. If she is feeding haylage/hay she should put it down in piles, one pile for each horse in the field plus one extra pile if she really wants to be safe. She should feed the most dominant horse first.
 
She can't get her horse out of the field with other horses in it? She needs to get a grip! People have to do it every day of the week in yards all over the country!

She doesn't sound a horsey person and a total nightmare!
 
Booboos, thanks. Just spoken to friend who said she will put a spare head coller and rope by the field so there is always one available should this other person forget hers for any reason!
 
She can't get her horse out of the field with other horses in it? She needs to get a grip! People have to do it every day of the week in yards all over the country!

She doesn't sound a horsey person and a total nightmare!


Galaxy do you mean the livery or my friend? lol
 
the livery I would have thought? she's the one demanding your friend holds her horses (for not reason?) so she can get her horse out the field to feed it and then puts one pile of haylage down and then stands like a lemon in amazement when a fight kicks off!! Sounds a right plank!
 
this is what my friend is struggling with, the livery isnt experienced, not very horsey and not very confident, and because of that this mare walks all over her. whatever my friend says is like talking to a brick wall because this woman thinks she knows best.
also this woman confuses loving a horse with feeding a horse and she wont just move a horse out of the way firmly because in her own words 'she doesnt want to upset it' so she uses food and then things like last night happen and my friend ends up in a potentially dangerous situation with 3 horses around her kicking off around her!!!
 
Oh for goodness sake!!!!

Can you not just section part of the field off for her mare? Or speak to the YO and get them to tell her to get a grip? Your fiend needs to tell her she just can't come up every time she wants to feed her mare, she has a life too and that the woman is just going to have to work out a way of getting her horse out the field.

I knew someone exactly like your friend. She went against the YO's wishes and decided to put some hay out int he field in the winter for her mare and my YO's (shared field). The field had grass in it, they were fine and didn't need it, but in her view if they weren't stuffing their face 24/7 they weren't happy (yes her horse was overweight and laminitic!!!!). So off she goes with a wheelbarrow of hay and promptly WW3 kicks off!!! She admitted what she'd done and the YO didn't bother telling her off as she knew she wouldn't do it again!!
 
Think I would be telling the woman to get a friend of HERS to help at feeding time. Why on earth should your mate have to drag her backside down there everytime the woman feeds her horse!

If she cant get her own horse out the field then she must be a bit of a div....
 
Galaxy thank you. my friend is taking on board all of these suggestions, and its also nice to know she isnt the only one who has had these problems, although not nice that someone else had to put up with it too!
The person you knew that did that sounds like a right pain in the butt too!
 
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