PROJECT HORSES WHY ARE THEY ALL PARELLI/NH

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Sort of related to the post downstairs....

Just looking throught the project horse website and wondering why they are all project horses/horses with issues and why everyone keeps mentioning

Parelli/Natural horsemanship/Holistic approaches

Hmmmmmm
 
Maybe they found out that the magic carrot sticks don't always work?
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What do some of the ads say?
 
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Maybe they found out that the magic carrot sticks don't always work?
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What do some of the ads say?

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Beautifully put......!!!
 
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Because when people can't handle their horse they turn to these methods for a miracle cure....

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Totally agree.

And then they ruin them even more by confusing them. Espec novices who have overhorsed themselves and then decide NH will fix everything.
 
It looks to me as if some of these horses have been fine when purchased, but have been unschooled by their increasingly frightened owners....
I particularly liked the story of the 4yo ex racehorse who was purchased because she was doing flying changes....yeah right.
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The more of those ads you read the more you could put in

"bought something because it looked flash. It did something quite normal once because something frightened it. I realised i have no idea how to train a horse, fit its tack, check its teeth or manage its feed and so now i'm selling it because it's the horse's fault!"

I've got someone arriving at my yard who's been riding once a week for 10 weeks after riding as child (20 yrs ago!!) and is now going out to buy herself a horse. She doesn't even know how to put a bridle on!!! This is exactly why horses end up in situations like this.... poor beasties!
 
I've just been watching our local parelli groupie and her new horse and its like watching a car crash in slow motion. I just can't help it! It's going to end in tears (hers!) when it all goes wrong again. Her last parellied horse was eventually sold to a dealer for buttons because it became unrideable and I just get the feeling that history is going to repeat itself.
 
Yeah - I'm as into 'alternative' stuff as the next bod, but I can't help feeling that this Parelli / NH business is just the latest fad that is doing the rounds and not doing horse or owner any favours. We've got one at our livery yard: youngster and with the potential to be very nice. But the most atrocious manners I've ever encountered. He has been brought up in the NH 'school'. Owner has now admitted that she is scared of him and I think there will be a lot of reschooling needed at some point.
I also think that a lot of novices gravitate towards this kind of thing because they think it is less 'cruel'. Ha! Until their horse is wrecked and seriously injured either itself or them in the process.
Maybe I'm just cynical because I've witnessed horses whose idea of 'join up' involves their rear hooves joining up with their owners!
 
I rather liked the unregistered welsh (section c)
I may have a warped sense of humour, but having told us which stud book the pony is not registered in, need they add the section it isn't registered in?!
Also the Eriskay gelding - as there only about a dozen Eriskays left, what are they doing gelding them? I mean I suppose if the confirmation is really dire ... but even so, dodgy confirmation beats extinct, surely?
 
it's the rediculous prices they are asking that makes me laugh...

of course, i wouldnt want to spend 4k on a well mannered, non-pscychotic, multi talented NORMAL horse now would i???

MUPPETS!!!!
 
I suppose in their favour, they are in the "project" thing for sale, which is the right category to sell them in...

But, why the prices?? I mean, over £2k for something they are saying they are frightened of and hasn't been ridden for nearly a year, which as you quite rightly say, Shilasdair, they are about to be found out by the punters that they are full of b*** because that 4 yr old off the track racehorse could only do a flying change if you virtually threw yourself around on it, nearly knock it over, frighten the wits out of the poor thing some more......

I think when the EXPERTS do NH they are in fact dominating the horse, which is right and proper, and quite rightly so... it is not for a non horseman.

So, I suppose it boils down to, those who have tried owning and riding without much help, with too little knowledge, who started out thinking they knew enough, sought alternatives because things were getting a bit out of hand, and the Nh stuff appealed as a last resort, and you have to admit it looks great in the marketing bumf!

It is marketed as a problem solver, whereas the likes of Tim Stockdale, etc on DVD are already brilliant and they have to assume you can ride, and they just move you on and up as though you haven't got a handling/ being dumped issue! The NH people are saying on their bumf, "solve this... handle like this.... problems ...."

Maybe there's a business opportunity for you Feufolet, launch a DVD on how to handle and ride, etc a horse when you don't know an awful lot!! Or, tell them not to buy...but you can't always tell people can you?
 
I put mine on there a while ago- he hadn't done any NH/Parelli- he was just a stunning horse with a cr*p attitude to me and work!
I have since sold him and he is doing very well with his new owner!
 
oh that is where I am going wrong! I'm not advertising my horse for a rediculous amount of money and haven't tried the NH/Parelli route to allow me to advertise mine for a stupid amount. I'm advertising it for under £600 and it does lovely normal things like rear's and bucks! bugger must teach it to bite, kick, not load, not be clipped and not be shod and then I should put him on project horses for 3K
 
What a wierd website!!!
Don't want to sound ignorant here but what exactly IS Parelli? I've heard of the seven games but don't know what they are... my ex racer's last owner was into it and she is a horse with a few issues - clearly the Parelli wasn't too helpful. (She is coming on nicely though with some sensible, calm, "normal" handling.) When we went to collect her, she wouldn't load at all, and it turned out getting her into a box had involved flicking her with one of those carrot stick things until she went in - supposedly!
 
What a nasty posts are appearing on here, If the horse you are talking about is the one from Norfolk then she is ours, yes we did overhorse ourselves and unschool her and yes we have realised our mistake. We are hoping to find a nice experienced person to take her on - hence her being on project horse, and a greatly reduced price than what we paid for her.

She wasnt straight off the track, she raced as a 3yo and spent a year being reschooled at a classical equitation yard, where yes she was doing flying changes. I dont recall using a magic carrot stick or anything else to try and fix her. My saddler and physio, who we called as soon as things went wrong said that to the untrained eye her saddle looked ok, she is very short from wither to last rib (if you feel carefully), but fairly long in her loins, so the saddle appeared to look correct, it was the same size and make that she had been schooled in for a year at the yard so not just my foolishness. I feed her a high fibre diet and she is turned out 24/7 with our other three ponies that we have managed not to screw up.

I have had horses for years and would never give in unless I had thought long and hard about it, neither would i buy a horse baceause it LOOKED FLASH. I thought this horse was the one for my daughter, so did she, we had, we have both agonised over the desicion to sell and are so upset about it - how nice to hear yourself being mocked for doing what you beleive to be the right thing, I bet you haver NEVER made a mistake, I bow to your obvious superiority in all things equine.
 
oh, ok, missed that. don't you have to have like hundreds to be out of danger though?
anyway, i thought it odd that such a rarity would be on a site like this? wonder if it's actually registered? And that's not a nasty comment, it's just a thought.
 
Perspectives are interesting; the handful of adverts I read were ones that said, basically the horses were loonies and are now being brought on using NH and that the horses are improving using this method....


....which to me would imply that the horses were not previously taught via NH route.
 
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It looks to me as if some of these horses have been fine when purchased, but have been unschooled by their increasingly frightened owners....
I particularly liked the story of the 4yo ex racehorse who was purchased because she was doing flying changes....yeah right.
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If any one else want to look critisise and mock, please feel free, this is the advert Ref 1358: Fleurance - TB Mare - For Sale - Norfolk

I should have put on the add that she is 5 1/2, not 4, she was reschooled as a 4 yo, perhaps my add writing skills are as inadequate as my equestian ones - sorry if I am sounding defensive - but it is so horrible to hear people passing judgement. I dont think the price is outragous either, particularly as she doesnt really have any problems, the only problem she has is us.
 
Ok, I've had enough of the 'thought police' today so here goes;
1. Your advert implies that you bought her in Feb this year as a four year old.
2. You say she was doing 'flying changes' and 'canter pirouettes' at 4 yo - if you believed that she was really at that level of dressage training after a brief period off the track, then you are somewhat gullible.
3. In the picture your daugher (I assume?) or whoever is riding her is frightened - it is obvious (although this is not her fault, it isn't good for an advert).
4. Although you don't say what happened...something clearly has to frighten your daughter and make you want to sell her on, esp. as she has regressed to walk trot canter and popping a little cross pole from 'canter pirouette'
5. £2500 is what someone could pay for a normal, not a 'project' horse.

And the first line of my post is general, not specific to you. Perhaps if you don't want people to think you are a fool, you shouldn't portray yourself as such in an advert.
Yes, I do make horsey mistakes...and you are more than entitled to laugh at me....contrary to your beliefs I believe in FREE SPEECH AND THOUGHT.
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Lol i've had this conversation before as I noticed same thing - I concluded that way too many people take up "Natural Horsemanship" without knowing much about it, and therefore don't actually install any discipline in the horse. NH isn't about being passive all the time, you still need discipline. So many people don't do that, and end up with horses walking all over them!
 
Well I am sorry that you have had such a barrage of neg about your advert and the history behind Fleurance. I have read your advert and can see nothing wrong with it at all! Christ, we ALL make terrible mistakes with horses because they are such complex creatures and we as humans have a terrible lack of knowledge on how to really look after a flight animal with real survival instincs in a domestic situation.
Yes we are all entitled to an opinion about the advert but give the women a break...what has she really done wrong other than make a mistake! And as for the price...the price that horses are going for nowadays, particularly one that has got to that level of dressage training...£2500 sounds fine to me for what it a good sounding horse that just needs a bit of time and patience.
Dear me..!!!
 
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