PROtector Skull NOT legal for BE XC

[ester]

https://www.britisheventing.com/asp-net/news/item.aspx?id=6233

Now why didn't they consult first before declaring them banned!

 

[LeannePip]

https://www.britisheventing.com/asp-net/news/item.aspx?id=6233

Now why didn't they consult first before declaring them banned!

They didn't . . . my sources tell me that the decision was not made by officials at BE, whoever sent the email out stating that they were not allowed XC did so off of their own back, if you check the timeline of events the announcement was not made by BE through their usual channels until Saturday morning, prior to that the only trace was the email sent around to fence judges by an individual representative of BE. Talks were immediately initiated by Protector and Patey with BE and representatives from Snell, which thankfully have proved what has been said by most all along, that the proturbance on the hat would not cause more damage in a fall and is actually an additional safety feature.

I'm glad this has all been cleared up and i dont need to buy a new hat!

 

[popsdosh]

https://www.britisheventing.com/asp-net/news/item.aspx?id=6233

Now why didn't they consult first before declaring them banned!

Some people are never happy! they were actually not allowed all last season and was only picked up recently. So BE have had to change the rule to accommodate this particular hat. I hope now that they will encourage thje manufacturer to clarify the way they are marketing their other hats . Rather than the blanket approved by BE. Its no wonder people get confused.

 

[ester]

Seriously, you think all this furore was the right way to go with this rather than say that it had been brought to their attention as contravening the rules but that they would confirm their position in X days rather than sending an email out to stewards on a saturday with competitors?

 

[ester]

There is no rule update for last february on the BE website to say that this rule came into force last year? There are plenty of other rule clarifications posted there. and here it just says rule for 2016 http://www.britisheventing.com/asp-...m=2015-01-01&to=2016-01-01&range=January 2015

 

[LeannePip]

Some people are never happy! they were actually not allowed all last season and was only picked up recently. So BE have had to change the rule to accommodate this particular hat. I hope now that they will encourage thje manufacturer to clarify the way they are marketing their other hats . Rather than the blanket approved by BE. Its no wonder people get confused.

This hat has been tagged and used for BE for the last 5 years so the hat is perfectly well marketed and protector have done nothing wrong. They haven't changed a rule to accommodate this hat at all, at some point the wording was changed (I'm unsure when) and some confusion has come from this. They have now altered the wording as they realise it does in fact make this hat 'illegal' for no reason, the protection level of this hat is second to non and there is absolutely no reason, on safety grounds, that it should be excluded from competition.

Seriously, you think all this furore was the right way to go with this rather than say that it had been brought to their attention as contravening the rules but that they would confirm their position in X days rather than sending an email out to stewards on a saturday with competitors?

The initial email didn't acctualy come from the BE health and safety committee it had never even been discussed that this hat was in contravene to the rules it was sent by an organiser of fence judges off their own back. However i agree that be should have released a statement on the saturday saying that it had been bought to their attention and a decision would be made by X date rather than back the email up!

 

[popsdosh]

There is no rule update for last february on the BE website to say that this rule came into force last year? There are plenty of other rule clarifications posted there. and here it just says rule for 2016 http://www.britisheventing.com/asp-...m=2015-01-01&to=2016-01-01&range=January 2015

Do you have to be so argumentative the rule came in on the 30th of January 2015 and was rattified again at the committee meeting in Feb 2015 after it was looked at again.
I will try and find links to prove it but I dont really have the time .

 

[popsdosh]

30 Jan 15
BE Fixed Peak hats – Cross Country
In the publication of the 2015 BE Members’ Handbook, a new rule was published regarding the ban of helmets with fixed peaks being worn on the cross country phase of British Eventing affiliated events*. The Rule states that “For the Cross Country phase, protective headwear must not have a fixed peak.” Please note, helmets with fixed peaks can still be worn for the showjumping and dressage phases.

Chairman of the BE Safety Committee Jonathan Chapman said: “This topic will be given further consideration at the Sport Committee meeting on the 10th February. Further information will be shared shortly thereafter. “

To view all BE Rule Changes for 2015 download this document.

*This rule does not affect FEI competition.


13 Feb 15
Fixed Peak ruling retained for the Cross Country phase
Further to an announcement on 30th January regarding the new rule banning helmets with fixed peaks being worn on the cross country phase of British Eventing affiliated events, the BE Sport Committee met again on 10th February to discuss this further.

It was agreed that this new rule, which states that: “For the Cross Country phase, protective headwear must not have a fixed peak,” will be retained.

Only Jockey Skulls will be permitted on Cross Country. Whilst a Jockey Skull is a commonly understood description for a type of peakless protective helmet, for the purposes of clarification, a Jockey Skull typically has:
. No peak, peak type extensions or noticeable protruberances above the eyes (or to the front) and has an even, elliptical or rounded shape.
. A smooth or slightly abrasive surface.
. A removable cover containing the peak, should one be required (such as a hat silk).

Helmets with fixed peaks can still be worn for the showjumping and dressage phases if in accordance with the rules, which remain unchanged.

“The safety of its members is of paramount importance to British Eventing, and this rule has been introduced to enable BE members to compete in the best personal protective equipment available” said Chris Farr, BE Sport Operations Manager.

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Can I assume your happy now and put your mind at rest!!!!! Perhaps look harder another time when you want to make out others dont know what they are talking about.
I was with BE officials on Friday who were dealing with this ;-) at Belton.

 

[ester]

I'm not being argumentative I just like to have the facts right. Pedantic if you will. Particularly when others are claiming how long they have been wearing their hat with bump XC at BE events for and I think it is quite important whether they were legal previously or not, particularly on a searchable forum. I was certainly not suggesting that you didn't know what you were talking about but was trying to see where, if the change did apply last year, BE had communicated it to members and couldn't find it. I am also wary of believing too many facts touted by random people I don't know on the internet without supporting evidence. To me that is a sensible approach!

BE seems to be the only organisation that I couldn't find old versions of rulebooks for online, the links are just automatically updated. I now see, having googled the phrase you posted that I couldn't get the pages to work on the 'news' page of the BE site earlier which is why I couldn't get the above to come up because it wouldn't scroll through/was just showing one page. I did try!

 

[Mike007]

BE have just posted a reworded rule, allowing a 5mm smooth ridge....common sense has prevailed!

Or has it! On what proven tested basis is this allowance made!. Personaly I feel that the subject of hat design and approval has been along the lines of giving the monkeys the keys to the banana plantation.

 

[popsdosh]

This hat has been tagged and used for BE for the last 5 years so the hat is perfectly well marketed and protector have done nothing wrong. They haven't changed a rule to accommodate this hat at all, at some point the wording was changed (I'm unsure when) and some confusion has come from this. They have now altered the wording as they realise it does in fact make this hat 'illegal' for no reason, the protection level of this hat is second to non and there is absolutely no reason, on safety grounds, that it should be excluded from competition.

What about there other hats that are marketed as BE approved the ones with the peaks ,do you not think that is misleading ? if not why do they not clarify the statement as not for CC.

Whatever gloss you put on it BE changed the rule to accommodate this hat which was used all last season in contravention of the rules. Eventually you will find out the truth behind this but needless to say hats for tagging invariably are presented with a cover on which masked the presence of the ridge.

I dont see why this would be sent to fence Judges as its not their responsibility to police headgear. CC stewards yes. They backed up the email because under their rules the hat was illegal thats the long and the short of it.

 

[LeannePip]

What about there other hats that are marketed as BE approved the ones with the peaks ,do you not think that is misleading ? if not why do they not clarify the statement as not for CC.

Whatever gloss you put on it BE changed the rule to accommodate this hat which was used all last season in contravention of the rules. Eventually you will find out the truth behind this but needless to say hats for tagging invariably are presented with a cover on which masked the presence of the ridge.

I dont see why this would be sent to fence Judges as its not their responsibility to police headgear. CC stewards yes. They backed up the email because under their rules the hat was illegal thats the long and the short of it.

I think you are missing the point completely yes the rule was re-worded but only because it meant the exclusion of a hat that is perfectly acceptable use for XC was in essence illegal. not because BE and PROtector are in cahoots! Whether the hats were used in contravention of the rules last year is not PROtectors fault and should have been picked up by those tagging hats and allowing them to go XC. The fact that it happened for an entire year without anyone picking up on it obviously shows that no one, including BE, had any reason on the grounds of safety not to re-word the rule so that this hat, once picked up on, was not banned XC.

I dont quite understand what you mean by 'eventually find out the truth'. the truth is that yes it slipped below the radar for a year after the re-writing of the rules, it was then picked up, banned, discussions had and it was realised that there is no reason for this hat to be banned XC (aswell as any other present or future hats that feature a small ridge above the eye brows), the small ridge would not have the same effect as a peaked hat XC and there for the wording adjusted.

 

[Fiona]

Eventing Ireland have two hat tags this year, one for Dressage/SJ and one for XC....

This may be the way forward in allowing any confusion, and in enabling XC and SJ stewards to do their job easier. I definitely spotted a few hats which looked like they had peaks out on XC last year, but I'm guessing it was hard for the XC steward to make a call if the hat was tagged..

Fiona

 

[Puddleduck]

Just seen on the British Riding Clubs Facebook page that BE have issued anemdment to their ruling and these hats are now permitted for XC

BRC have confirmed that they will follow BE's decision and also allow them.

Common sense prevails