PSSM1 and ploddy

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I am deep diving PSSM1 at the moment, as I have found a cob that I really love. He is quite ploddy and also young, so that could be for a number of reasons and the owners have agreed to a PSSM1 hair follicle test. Anyhow, I am just wondering if lack of oomph is a common symptom. He is going to be 5 stage vetted too. Is PSSM common for traditional cobs?
 
Yes very common in cobs and yes plodding / napping / exercise intolerance is a symptom
Thank you. I viewed him last week and then didn't think about it until I had got home, so they are sending me some hair to do the test. He does go forward and has been schooled but there is something I can't put my finger on. I am thinking that if he does, then I will still buy him and manage him potentially - will have to think on that.
 
Wise to get him tested, but being of a suspicious nature I’d be wanting to pull the mane hair out myself to ensure that the sample sent off for testing is indeed taken from the horse that you are interested in.
Thank you, that did run through my mind but then I thought it is very strong cobby hair, so if they plucked from another cob, that might not work out too well either.
 
might he just be unfit? loads of horses have not been in full work with this awful winter. 3 times a week to maintain fitness, 4 times to build.. my best efforts have managed max 2x a week since nov...

My girl was tested for type 1 (by breeder), negative. but will still become ploddy / a bit of napping when building fitness up after time off. a different horse come spring. get a saddle check too, they change shape through winter losing all their summer plumpness

I'd also be having a feel of their lower legs for clean hocks, as CPL is another thing to watch for, you can talk yourself out of any purchase, if you like him and he passes a stage 2 vet/ whatever vetting you're comfortable with then great. its all just management & if it doesnt work out for you just sell on.. When I was looking I talked myself out of numerous good horses worrying about a misstep here, lump there. said horses are doing great with other local riders!
 
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I wouldn't touch anything with PSSM1, it is a horrible thing to put them through - and definitely check for CPL folds down the lower legs. The P in CPL stands for Progressive, and it is another thing that is a nightmare to manage (my rescue coblet has just about everything wrong with him that a cob can have so speaking from personal experience).
 
Thanks all. I have my veteran retired cob, so I did check this young cob for CPL and his legs are good. He is very shutdown and my old lad was the same when I bought him as a youngster. They seem to go through a lot in Ireland and it takes time for the real personality to peep through. He is a super cob and I think we could be a good match but if would be good to know if he has this in advance. I guess if he does it would have to be reflected in his price.
 
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Cobs are slow to bring on compared to more athletic breeds! Got told my cob didnt hack solo, reared in hand in no good in the arena and was "just a hacker" rising 4. She now does low level jumping, hacks out solo and weve done dressage in hand showing etc.. They are the effort you put in. fingers crossed he comes back clear
 
My cob is very, very ploddy. He will occasionally have a moment, but his walk is painfully slow. He is heterozygous PSSM1, was tested age 7 after a year of really struggling to get him going, but has shown every symptom except a full tie up, but in hind sight he has had tie up symptoms (repeated stops for no apparent reason, completely dead to the leg - you could thrash him if you were that sort and he'd still wind to a halt if he was symptomatic). I gave up on schooling - it's simply not worth it and I do enough on hacks. He is excellent at things like horse agility (if you're not bothered about speed!), but it's not often we can get a good canter even on the trail. During dry weather when the grass is consistent, that's when he's motoring, as it's much easier to control. He's 11 in May and although I probably wouldn't get another, he is a very sweet boy and is in great demand for accompanying tricky youngsters/spicy adult horses on hacks.
 
I had a jumping pony who was pssm (1 and 2 - joyful!). She had to be in constant fast work or she deteriorated and she did not make old bones - was unable to keep up the work needed into her late teens. Was the absolute best pony up to that point though, with a fantastic, kind temperament. It’s weird now not having to ride in all weathers, ensuring she gets her 20min of raised heart beat a day!
 
Having had 2 with type 1 pssm I'd avoid if he does have it. When I got my youngest cob vetted I had post exercise bloods drawn and CK tested. If there had been a spike i would have walked away.

Some can be managed (but hard work) many can't.
I have messaged you - hope thats ok to do so.
 
Sadly he tested positive and sellers felt it wasn't an issue, so have not reduced his price accordingly. I am not prepared to proceed at the original price as now couldn't insure him for any issues arising from his results. I appreciate their viewpoint, he is lovely and I hope they find him a super home. Sadly not with me.
Right decision, step away, it will be heartache.
Do the sellers understand that they now have a duty to disclose this knowledge to future buyers?
 
Yes, I did raise this with them. I am sure they will - they do not believe it to be an issue.
I despair when people do not take PSSM1 or 2 seriously - OK I am coming at this from a NF perspective but so many cobs have it. Maybe off topic (apologies) but the NF Breed Society who were brilliant at dealing with the problem when it first became known have recently had to add another stallion and his offspring to the list of affected animals. Worrying times😢
 
I despair when people do not take PSSM1 or 2 seriously - OK I am coming at this from a NF perspective but so many cobs have it. Maybe off topic (apologies) but the NF Breed Society who were brilliant at dealing with the problem when it first became known have recently had to add another stallion and his offspring to the list of affected animals. Worrying times😢
Yes I saw that a NF stallion has an incorrect result - with wide reaching consequences, years later. It is because of all the efforts made by the NF Breed Society that I became aware of PSSM - they have to be applauded for the approach that has been taken.
 
Sadly he tested positive and sellers felt it wasn't an issue, so have not reduced his price accordingly. I am not prepared to proceed at the original price as now couldn't insure him for any issues arising from his results. I appreciate their viewpoint, he is lovely and I hope they find him a super home. Sadly not with me.

I honestly think some people like it as it tends to make them ploddy and lazy, but they are also very unhappy horses :(
 
I honestly think some people like it as it tends to make them ploddy and lazy, but they are also very unhappy horses :(

Ours was happy - we put a huge amount of time into ensuring she always was - happy and symptom free. When we sadly lost control of it in her teens (due to unrelated issues that affected her ability to exercise enough) we had her pts. She was beyond amazing, a real once in a lifetime pony. I would give a home to another with full understanding of the work involved - but like the OP I wouldn’t do so at full price. I wouldn’t knowingly breed one either.
 
I despair when people do not take PSSM1 or 2 seriously - OK I am coming at this from a NF perspective but so many cobs have it. Maybe off topic (apologies) but the NF Breed Society who were brilliant at dealing with the problem when it first became known have recently had to add another stallion and his offspring to the list of affected animals. Worrying times😢
Yes, the New Forest society been far more proactive than WPCS - heads totally in the sand. Admittedly Type(s)2 more likely there, but really do not want to acknowledge there’s an issue, at all.
Terrible affliction, even with the best intentions and management in the world.
 
Ours was happy - we put a huge amount of time into ensuring she always was - happy and symptom free. When we sadly lost control of it in her teens (due to unrelated issues that affected her ability to exercise enough) we had her pts. She was beyond amazing, a real once in a lifetime pony. I would give a home to another with full understanding of the work involved - but like the OP I wouldn’t do so at full price. I wouldn’t knowingly breed one either.
The trouble is you have no idea how badly they'll be affected. I've always said that if my only experience of PSSM1 was my Ardennes I'd wonder what all the fuss was about - but my Appy has been badly affected. Even when she was in full work she couldn't handle a 45min clinic (with micro management) and once her workload was reduced due to a tweaked ligament she just couldn't come back again.
 
I think more cobs are affected with it then owners realise. I've never tested coblet but would bet my house that he is PSSM1, as he was fine when he was fit and in regular work but he never came back right after his surgery on his annular ligaments and now at 18 is on borrowed time, only kept field sound with danilon :(
 
Ours was happy - we put a huge amount of time into ensuring she always was - happy and symptom free. When we sadly lost control of it in her teens (due to unrelated issues that affected her ability to exercise enough) we had her pts. She was beyond amazing, a real once in a lifetime pony. I would give a home to another with full understanding of the work involved - but like the OP I wouldn’t do so at full price. I wouldn’t knowingly breed one either.

Ah sorry, I didnt mean the diagnosed and managed one. Sadly they are in the minority. I meant the poor ponies that are ignored while they plod their way through life.

But I wouldnt have one for free. Its to intensive to manage if you want them to do anything more than light work.
 
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