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hi
i am normally a horse poster not a hound but i am hopeing u lot will help me anyway.

basically me and my family are looking for a new addition.
we would like a puppy, preferably a hungarian vizsla or rhodesian ridgeback type crossed with a laberador or rottweiller. basically we would like one of the first two but improved a little maybe by the other breed.

we have a doberman laberador rottweiller at home (all one dog) he looks like a skinny black and tan lab with a big head basically. he is 9 years old and gets on with most dog but we would like to retire him to his bed on the heated kitchen floor more often as he is arthrictic and cant keep up with the pase of our family life.
at home we have 5 acres, a yard and people living and working at home. i would also like to take the new dog out with me riding but the dog will have to be very well trained as it will meet other dog and i wont have a lead therefor needs to be very trainable.

we are lincolnshire based grimsby and we dont mind driving up to about an hour to look at the puppies. so if any one knows of anything or would like to help with the search please do xx cookies for anyone who helps
 
champdogs.co.uk

please dont be sucked into backyardbreeders/non health tested crossbreeds for £500+


my very trainable, clever springer x collie was 50 quid. Has lots of health problems (they say x's are meant to be healthier....my backside...!)

good luck :)
 
Hi there, while you may have been lucky with your current dog, the problem would be with a cross like the one you describe, of breeds all with different purposes, a gundog, an HPR type, a dog bred to hunt large game and a civil/guarding breed, all with different energy levels and personality types, you really won't know what your pup will look like or turn out like, it might have all the best characteristics of those breeds or all of the worst.
You might get Lab greediness and RR dominance, for example, or Viszla energy and a Rottie's propensity to bust their cruciates.

Outcrossing does NOT always guarantee a healthier dog - labs can get hip and elbow dysplasia, so can Rotts, so crossing it with another big, weightbearing breed, would not cancel that out.

I'd suggest you go for a well-bred purebred or look into rescues (rescues very often have pups, all the ones I support have pups in at the minute) or see if anyone has an 'oops' litter. Please try not to fund the people selling puppies via free websites or pay through the nose.

If you wait until the New Year, there will be plenty of young crossbred dogs chucked out after Christmas :(

No offence but anyone purposely breeding that type of cross and charging a lot for it may not have the dog's best interest at heart x

Please don't take this as criticism or bitchiness, it is not intended, and good luck in your search, hope someone can help x
 
hi thanks for ur responces. we hv a budget that is sort of set as we dnt mind paying for the dog eg its costs and so on but we dont want to pay so there is a profit as we dont want to encourage back yard breeding and would like a spare or left over one that just fits us. and as we are not in a rush we are looking around.
we are not looking for a crossbreed for health reasons more that we have enjoyed both ours and as we dont have competely set in stone things we need from a dog we enjoy letting the dog find their space in the family.

the thinking behind the mix is that we want more of a hunting and outside dog like the first two mentioned but thought maybe wrongly that it might be improved by having maybe 1/4 or a bit of a civil/guarding breed as they will be in a kennel at the end of the drive at night as our place needs to be seen as having a guard dog. this is also our problem with rescue homes as we do have a dog on a chain and im not getting into that arguement with anyone sorry.

and i understand u never no what your getting with a puppy but people buy foals and have babies so we are still going to get a puppy lol :) bit tounge in cheek sorry
 
Vizslas can be problematical to kennel.....they aren't called the velcro dog for nothing! They like to be with their people and can get bad separation anxiety.

Also, unless they are constantly supervised their hunting instinct will often lead them to go off on their own hunting missions, so if you are thinking of having a Viz to just roam and mooch about your land you may be well advised to rethink that one! Oh and the hunting instinct is such in many that they will just run through the pain of a 'freedom fence'. They really aren't guardy; some of the very poorly bred ones can be fear aggressive but most just run up to people wagging their tails wanting a fuss!

If you want a Viz to run with you while you ride you are going to have to put some good gundog type training into it; lots of shoots in Lincs and therefore lots of phezzies, hares and other distractions. You will need a good stop whistle.

Just my experiences.....
 
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gunnergundog said:
Vizslas can be problematical to kennel.....they aren't called the velcro dog for nothing! They like to be with their people and can get bad separation anxiety.

Also, unless they are constantly supervised their hunting instinct will often lead them to go off on their own hunting missions, so if you are thinking of having a Viz to just roam and mooch about your land you may be well advised to rethink that one! Oh and the hunting instinct is such in many that they will just run through the pain of a 'freedom fence'. They really aren't guardy; some of the very poorly bred ones can be fear aggressive but most just run up to people wagging their tails wanting a fuss!

If you want a Viz to run with you while you ride you are going to have to put some good gundog type training into it; lots of shoots in Lincs and therefore lots of phezzies, hares and other distractions. You will need a good stop whistle.

Just my experiences.....
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we already have one who cant cope with leaving his boss and thats my dad. do they attach themselves to one person or just the family?
the dogs we have had have just stayed on the land and not wondered so we dont have any pens or fences. the fact they dont gaurd is why we were thinking we wanted a mix but really they dont have to guard just look like they do.......... right rethink and talk with the family done. what are ridgebacks like we have done some research this afternoon and we think maybe a ridgeback/rottweiller is more like what we want. but dont shoot me down for being stupid and clueless thats why im on here and still looking and why we dont have one yet because we want to work through all the outcomes and get it right xx thanks for the help.
 
If you were after a gundog that guards, it is in the GSP breed standard

http://www.gsp.org.uk/breed_standard.htm

Harley is quite territorial and it hasn't been encouraged. He will run barking at any stranger that appears at home or up the yard (even on walks, THAT is discouraged!)

However they do like to be in the centre of a family. I'm not sure it would be a happy dog living in a kennel. They are quite sensitive.
 
galaxymisletoe said:
If you were after a gundog that guards, it is in the GSP breed standard

http://www.gsp.org.uk/breed_standard.htm

Harley is quite territorial and it hasn't been encouraged. He will run barking at any stranger that appears at home or up the yard (even on walks, THAT is discouraged!)

However they do like to be in the centre of a family. I'm not sure it would be a happy dog living in a kennel. They are quite sensitive.
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i have added that to the stuff the family needs to find out about and its not going to be a kennel kept dog it is just out at night eg after 10pm and in aroung 7 am and either out and about or in the house the rest of the day. it is just that we want it to be a big dog seen around that barks if someone comes to the door standard family gaurd dog just that we have room and time and like bigger dog to. and we dont class labs as a big dog
 
I wouldnt think a vizz or any cross thereof (and I get hugely mad at seeing them crossed anyway) would suit you in anyway shape or form. Matches none of your criteria, not a big dog, doesnt do well out, not guardy at all, vocal but not really barky. They dont even look vaguely imposing, not even on the rare occasions they stand still and their tails stop wagging! are you even thinking of the right breed?!
 
Ridgebacks are fantastic dogs but you will struggle to get one to live outside!:eek: My friends has to literally be pushed outside when it is cold and raining - would far rather hug the Aga:rolleyes: even then she had to have one of her coats on!:rolleyes: Whilst they are fantatic guard dogs - they are used all the time for security in Africa - they can be very disobedient, steal food from anywhere, can jump a five bar gate easily, will naff off after 'prey' and do like being with people..........

I think maybe you need to do a bit more research into the type of dog you want :)
 
Vizslak said:
I wouldnt think a vizz or any cross thereof (and I get hugely mad at seeing them crossed anyway) would suit you in anyway shape or form. Matches none of your criteria, not a big dog, doesnt do well out, not guardy at all, vocal but not really barky. They dont even look vaguely imposing, not even on the rare occasions they stand still and there tails stop wagging! are you even thinking of the right breed?!
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they r a big dog well i think they r and ive met one. how can a dog not do well out? its a dog. didnt no about the not barky but doesnt matter as said we have moved on as we are in the dissition stage not the getting yet stage. we dont need a bull dog or a staffy or a proper massive rottweiller to look impressive people just fear dogs that are not just small little fluffy things. it would look impressive from what ive seen of them(pics and one visit) so granted limited. but never mind we have moved on now just thinking rottweiller/ridgeback or anything that might come up in our planning and searching that works after lots of thinking. so bring on the new suggestions or critisims. :)
 
tinselunicorn said:
Ridgebacks are fantastic dogs but you will struggle to get one to live outside!:eek: My friends has to literally be pushed outside when it is cold and raining - would far rather hug the Aga:rolleyes: even then she had to have one of her coats on!:rolleyes: Whilst they are fantatic guard dogs - they are used all the time for security in Africa - they can be very disobedient, steal food from anywhere, can jump a five bar gate easily, will naff off after 'prey' and do like being with people..........

I think maybe you need to do a bit more research into the type of dog you want :)
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thanks and this is what this is, part of my research along with asking and reading lol. to be honest the ridgeback still sounds good. we do send our dog out with a coat if its cold and nice food for bedtime and a lovly wooden kennel with dovets padding the floor wall and roof for some insolation. we have made bedtime for our dog nice enough to get him to go out willingly and it have taken some trial and error which we dont mind trying again for a new dog to work out what they want xx
 
Nope they are a medium breed, smaller than a lab. They dont do well out, they are thin coated, like lifes luxuries and very very people orientated. Never been able to force any of (the many) I know out for a wee if its raining (although they will work all day in it!)
 
madeleine1 said:
thanks and this is what this is, part of my research along with asking and reading lol. to be honest the ridgeback still sounds good. we do send our dog out with a coat if its cold and nice food for bedtime and a lovly wooden kennel with dovets padding the floor wall and roof for some insolation. we have made bedtime for our dog nice enough to get him to go out willingly and it have taken some trial and error which we dont mind trying again for a new dog to work out what they want xx
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I don't think you realise just how stubborn a Ridgey can be!! They are a thin coated breed so just would not cope with living out in this country:o
 
Vizslak said:
Nope they are a medium breed, smaller than a lab. They dont do well out, they are thin coated, like lifes luxuries and very very people orientated. Never been able to force any of (the many) I know out for a wee if its raining (although they will work all day in it!)
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GSPs are a bit tougher than Vislas but I would say much the same. They are taller than a Lab, but no where near as chunky. ALL HPRs as far as I know are people dogs and love warmth and home comforts. H was begging for a wee last week, shot out the door when I opened in, then flew back in immediately because it was raining so hard! Then went back to sleep on the sofa and forgot about the wee! lol!

If I ever tie him up on the yard briefly I will often catch him shivering. Not sure they have the coat to live outside unless it's heated!!
 
Forgot to add, if you put a vizsla at your gate to warn off intruders the best you could hope for is that it wasnt pinched before the rest of your stuff!! If you want to do the puppy thing properly, by which I mean you are going to get a pup from a decent breeder and health tested stock, I would doubt you would find a vizz breeder that would sell this breed to this lifestyle, it just doesnt suit the breed.
How about a GSD?
 
right ok im going to change tact as u lot no more then me. i still think ridgeback is the closest to what we want however i dont mind being proven wrong.

we want a dog taller then 60cm/24inch ish and preferably with a bit of a wide set nothing skinny like gray hound.
not hairy
would like it to be happy with the whole family not just a one person dog
easily trainable. dont mind putting in a certain amount of work but not to extreme.
the type of activity it will be doing is:
mooching around the yard, going in the van to other yards, occasionaly extreme walk with my brother, once or twice a week proper walk with mum or dad for a change of scene, fields and yard to run around in the rest of the time, and if it works a daily walk with me and the horse.
there is always someone on site and or in the house apart from very very one of days where we might all be out but would likely go to nanas next door or be out on chain with nana checking on them.
i cant think any more information u might need if i do i will tell u or u can ask.:)
 
A GSD does sound more likely and while I don't agree with them being kept on chains, you've already said you don't want to argue about that :p

Anatolians look amazing, but my friend had them as stock guardians in Canada and they are just...primeval? Is that the word?

Giant Schnauzer

Airedale terrier (they used to be the main service dog in the UK before GSDs were discovered and began to be imported)
 
Bouvier Des Flandres (both they and Schnauzers need a bit of work on their coat)

Bernese Mountain Dog/Pyrenean Mountain Dog/St Bernard? Latter was a yard dog at the place where I learned to ride. You do need to be careful with these large breeds in youth, not to over exercise before 12-18 months and I would always check that the parents are at least hip scored, with low scores, and elbow scored too ideally.
 
CaveCanem said:
A GSD does sound more likely and while I don't agree with them being kept on chains, you've already said you don't want to argue about that :p

Anatolians look amazing, but my friend had them as stock guardians in Canada and they are just...primeval? Is that the word?

Giant Schnauzer

Airedale terrier (they used to be the main service dog in the UK before GSDs were discovered and began to be imported)
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yer sorry i dont have any choice about the chain thats my mum and dads choice and i have made the changes to the kennel and brought the coat so have done that most i can. i dont think the other breeds apart from the gsd look like what the family see a dog look like, which i no is fussy but we like the solid and efficant look of the other dogs peviously mentioned. sorry i no ur trying to help and i really apreciate it
 
galaxymisletoe said:
That would discount all HPR's I'd say (vislas/GSPs etc). They are quite narrow and finely built. They would not be described as solid or wide.
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it might mean we just need to pic the mix better as we dont want a full on 15 stone rottweiller altho parents are dead set against it but we dont want a skinny one.
 
CaveCanem said:
Kerry Blue Terrier? They can be quite intense and don't be put off by the hair, they are excellent guard dogs. Again, coat might be an issue.
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my dad just thinks they look like toys which is not nessaserly fair or true but it just seems to me that we need to find the almost perfect dog for us if we are spending 10 plus years with it and i no looks shouldnt matter but they do. especially when my dad sells farm machinary and pheasant food. also no saying we are looking for a perfect dog jut perfect for us. both our others have been resues btw xx
 
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