KJJ
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Puppy Party - TRAUMA!!!
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KJJ
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i took Polly to puppy training classes and there was one terrier that took an instant disliking to her, at the end of each session we'd let them off for a play, but the first time it really went for and was seriously agressive, i refused to let her off at the end after that. I didnt do her any harm, but its equally not a nice experience for them. Shes naturally really friendly with dogs anyways so we havent had any problems with her.
im sure Finn will be fine
[/ QUOTE ]Thankies... I am defo going to take him to training in the new year, but won't be going back to a party.
We will socialise with other dogs on our terms...
Finn isn't fussed about the dogs and much prefers to say hi to the people TBH... hence the puppies getting yappy/bouncy and frightening him!!
i took Polly to puppy training classes and there was one terrier that took an instant disliking to her, at the end of each session we'd let them off for a play, but the first time it really went for and was seriously agressive, i refused to let her off at the end after that. I didnt do her any harm, but its equally not a nice experience for them. Shes naturally really friendly with dogs anyways so we havent had any problems with her.
im sure Finn will be fine
[/ QUOTE ]Thankies... I am defo going to take him to training in the new year, but won't be going back to a party.
We will socialise with other dogs on our terms...
Finn isn't fussed about the dogs and much prefers to say hi to the people TBH... hence the puppies getting yappy/bouncy and frightening him!!
milor
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I'm not a great fan of these puppy parties and for some breeds they can do more harm than good. the problem is that different breeds have different characteristics including tempraments but no allowance is made for this - it's a case of 'one size fits all'. Not all breeds enjoy this kind of 'in your face ' socialising and in particular the working /pastoral breeds often find this too much to take ( I've forgotten what breed Finn is ) - being specifically bred to be 1:1 workers with their owners they are naturally cautious of anythng new. There is a tendency for people to expect all dogs to react the same way and therefore need the same type of scialising or training but this is rarely succesful and in fact can be counter productive - a bad experience at such a young age could make him MORE unsociable around other dogs.
I would definately NOT continue with these classes but find someone with steady older dog that is 100% trustworthy around your little chap but who can also teach him some basic 'doggy manners'. Team up with them for walks etc and mean while do some clicker training with Finn so that he has an excellent recall and learns to pay attention to you on your walks - this way if you meet other dogs when out and about you can be confident that he will be safely under your control irrespective of how 'socialised' he may be around other dogs !
I would definately NOT continue with these classes but find someone with steady older dog that is 100% trustworthy around your little chap but who can also teach him some basic 'doggy manners'. Team up with them for walks etc and mean while do some clicker training with Finn so that he has an excellent recall and learns to pay attention to you on your walks - this way if you meet other dogs when out and about you can be confident that he will be safely under your control irrespective of how 'socialised' he may be around other dogs !
KJJ
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I'm not a great fan of these puppy parties and for some breeds they can do more harm than good. the problem is that different breeds have different characteristics including tempraments but no allowance is made for this - it's a case of 'one size fits all'. Not all breeds enjoy this kind of 'in your face ' socialising and in particular the working /pastoral breeds often find this too much to take ( I've forgotten what breed Finn is ) - being specifically bred to be 1:1 workers with their owners they are naturally cautious of anythng new. There is a tendency for people to expect all dogs to react the same way and therefore need the same type of scialising or training but this is rarely succesful and in fact can be counter productive - a bad experience at such a young age could make him MORE unsociable around other dogs.
[/ QUOTE ]Hey there milor, Finn is a Rhodesian Ridgeback!! And definatley likes the one to one relationship that him and I have!!
He is a lovely littel soul and it was sssoo upsetting yesterday that I said to OH that I don't want to take him back to another.
He cried when I put him in the car tonight which again was upsetting but settled down and had a nice play at the other end at "Grandparents" house!!
He's now here fast asleep in his bed..
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I would definately NOT continue with these classes but find someone with steady older dog that is 100% trustworthy around your little chap but who can also teach him some basic 'doggy manners'. Team up with them for walks etc and mean while do some clicker training with Finn so that he has an excellent recall and learns to pay attention to you on your walks - this way if you meet other dogs when out and about you can be confident that he will be safely under your control irrespective of how 'socialised' he may be around other dogs !
[/ QUOTE ]As for the older dog - we have another dog who is 1yr old and is teaching Finn loads... but i am also going to take him out with my friends dogs too.
I hope it hasn't had a lasting effect on my wee chappy
but I'm not putting him through that again!!
I'm not a great fan of these puppy parties and for some breeds they can do more harm than good. the problem is that different breeds have different characteristics including tempraments but no allowance is made for this - it's a case of 'one size fits all'. Not all breeds enjoy this kind of 'in your face ' socialising and in particular the working /pastoral breeds often find this too much to take ( I've forgotten what breed Finn is ) - being specifically bred to be 1:1 workers with their owners they are naturally cautious of anythng new. There is a tendency for people to expect all dogs to react the same way and therefore need the same type of scialising or training but this is rarely succesful and in fact can be counter productive - a bad experience at such a young age could make him MORE unsociable around other dogs.
[/ QUOTE ]Hey there milor, Finn is a Rhodesian Ridgeback!! And definatley likes the one to one relationship that him and I have!!
He is a lovely littel soul and it was sssoo upsetting yesterday that I said to OH that I don't want to take him back to another.
He cried when I put him in the car tonight which again was upsetting but settled down and had a nice play at the other end at "Grandparents" house!!
He's now here fast asleep in his bed..
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I would definately NOT continue with these classes but find someone with steady older dog that is 100% trustworthy around your little chap but who can also teach him some basic 'doggy manners'. Team up with them for walks etc and mean while do some clicker training with Finn so that he has an excellent recall and learns to pay attention to you on your walks - this way if you meet other dogs when out and about you can be confident that he will be safely under your control irrespective of how 'socialised' he may be around other dogs !
[/ QUOTE ]As for the older dog - we have another dog who is 1yr old and is teaching Finn loads... but i am also going to take him out with my friends dogs too.
I hope it hasn't had a lasting effect on my wee chappy
milor
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RR's are a wonderful breed - but a prime example of what I meant in my post - although in the Hound group they are not a typical hound in temperament - and have been bred to guard their family. This makes tham intensely loyal and affectionate with 'their people' but naturally suspicious of new situations and people.
That does not mean that because they do not have the outgoing nature of a Terrier that their temperament is suspect - just that they were bred to do a diferent job.
Quite honestly bunging a whole lot of young pups together of different breeds and just letting them get on with it is NOT a good way to socialise ! and I'm surprised that your vet thinks this is a good idea.
That does not mean that because they do not have the outgoing nature of a Terrier that their temperament is suspect - just that they were bred to do a diferent job.
Quite honestly bunging a whole lot of young pups together of different breeds and just letting them get on with it is NOT a good way to socialise ! and I'm surprised that your vet thinks this is a good idea.
Peaches
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This is why I didn;t go to vet puppy parties with my GSD. Find a good local APDT trainer & get yourself booked on their next puppy socialisation class. If they are any good they will ensure that puppies learn how to play with other pups without becomign stressed. IF one is a little nervous, you don;t put it to play with the big bouncy dog - its not a free for all.
Its very easy for a puppy to learn that not all other dogs are to be trusted & to take an agressive stance, rather than waiting to find out. First impressions/training is so important - don;t go to another puppy party! But do find an APDT trainer to continue socialising him in a controlled manner.
Its very easy for a puppy to learn that not all other dogs are to be trusted & to take an agressive stance, rather than waiting to find out. First impressions/training is so important - don;t go to another puppy party! But do find an APDT trainer to continue socialising him in a controlled manner.
KJJ
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RR's are a wonderful breed - but a prime example of what I meant in my post - although in the Hound group they are not a typical hound in temperament - and have been bred to guard their family. This makes tham intensely loyal and affectionate with 'their people' but naturally suspicious of new situations and people.
[/ QUOTE ]Finn is an amazing little man... he LOVES people when they come into HIS house.. yet out and about (he's still being carried) he's a bit weary - when I'm holding him and another dog cmes over.. he has a little growl!! Everyone says he protecting his mummy!!!
Nawwwww.
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That does not mean that because they do not have the outgoing nature of a Terrier that their temperament is suspect - just that they were bred to do a diferent job.
[/ QUOTE ]Totally agree, he was totally freaked out by the 'full-on-ness' of the terrier!!!
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Quite honestly bunging a whole lot of young pups together of different breeds and just letting them get on with it is NOT a good way to socialise ! and I'm surprised that your vet thinks this is a good idea.
[/ QUOTE ]Thankfully there were only 4 pups in our party, however they apparently have had up to 12!!
We shan't be going again, although they claim it to be in a controlled area it's not THAT controlled and is extremely intimidating for the pups
RR's are a wonderful breed - but a prime example of what I meant in my post - although in the Hound group they are not a typical hound in temperament - and have been bred to guard their family. This makes tham intensely loyal and affectionate with 'their people' but naturally suspicious of new situations and people.
[/ QUOTE ]Finn is an amazing little man... he LOVES people when they come into HIS house.. yet out and about (he's still being carried) he's a bit weary - when I'm holding him and another dog cmes over.. he has a little growl!! Everyone says he protecting his mummy!!!
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That does not mean that because they do not have the outgoing nature of a Terrier that their temperament is suspect - just that they were bred to do a diferent job.
[/ QUOTE ]Totally agree, he was totally freaked out by the 'full-on-ness' of the terrier!!!
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Quite honestly bunging a whole lot of young pups together of different breeds and just letting them get on with it is NOT a good way to socialise ! and I'm surprised that your vet thinks this is a good idea.
[/ QUOTE ]Thankfully there were only 4 pups in our party, however they apparently have had up to 12!!
We shan't be going again, although they claim it to be in a controlled area it's not THAT controlled and is extremely intimidating for the pups
KJJ
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This is why I didn;t go to vet puppy parties with my GSD. Find a good local APDT trainer & get yourself booked on their next puppy socialisation class. If they are any good they will ensure that puppies learn how to play with other pups without becomign stressed. IF one is a little nervous, you don;t put it to play with the big bouncy dog - its not a free for all.
Its very easy for a puppy to learn that not all other dogs are to be trusted & to take an agressive stance, rather than waiting to find out. First impressions/training is so important - don;t go to another puppy party! But do find an APDT trainer to continue socialising him in a controlled manner.
[/ QUOTE ]I am NOT going to another party as stated, I've never been to a puppy party and didn't really know what to expect so TBH could only go on the guidance of a vet... unfortunatley you don't know til you try these things.
I certainly didn't put him in any distress on purpose... and he was taken out of the situation as soon as I could grab him.
He's a lovely little dog, he's just not that interested in other dogs!!!
I am booking in with a doggy trainer for the new year.
This is why I didn;t go to vet puppy parties with my GSD. Find a good local APDT trainer & get yourself booked on their next puppy socialisation class. If they are any good they will ensure that puppies learn how to play with other pups without becomign stressed. IF one is a little nervous, you don;t put it to play with the big bouncy dog - its not a free for all.
Its very easy for a puppy to learn that not all other dogs are to be trusted & to take an agressive stance, rather than waiting to find out. First impressions/training is so important - don;t go to another puppy party! But do find an APDT trainer to continue socialising him in a controlled manner.
[/ QUOTE ]I am NOT going to another party as stated, I've never been to a puppy party and didn't really know what to expect so TBH could only go on the guidance of a vet... unfortunatley you don't know til you try these things.
I certainly didn't put him in any distress on purpose... and he was taken out of the situation as soon as I could grab him.
He's a lovely little dog, he's just not that interested in other dogs!!!
I am booking in with a doggy trainer for the new year.
bellasmum
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WHY DO VETS THINK THESE ARE A GOOD IDEA!!!! They can poke all their free food and toys up their backside! Im totally against these puppy classes after attending one last year, my dog was treated like he was always in the wrong, when he wasn't, he got beat up regularly and then turned on them, and now when he attends the vets he goes mad and shouts loudly in reception!! These people at the classes also ran a training club which we attended for 3 weeks, until he was shook so hard he bit his tongue and bled all over the floor!! We went somewhere else, they were great, this 16month old parsons terrier (never had one before) is top of the class at flyball and agility! he is friendly, although will run to investigate, but knows when to step back! Find a good dog trainer near you who runs puppy classes, dont go to these muppets again!
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WHY DO VETS THINK THESE ARE A GOOD IDEA!!!!
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Mybe because sometimes when done properly they can be really succesful?
WHY DO VETS THINK THESE ARE A GOOD IDEA!!!!
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Mybe because sometimes when done properly they can be really succesful?
bellasmum
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That is true and I generalised, but it being a bad idea seems to be the trend on this posting
KJJ
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I don't actually think the puppy parties are a bad idea, I just think perhaps they aren't suitable for certain types of dog.
Unfortunatley it seems you have to try it to see how the dog reacts!!
Unfortunatley it seems you have to try it to see how the dog reacts!!